Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!UUNET.UU.NET!mfci!lethin From: mfci!lethin@UUNET.UU.NET (Richard Lethin) Newsgroups: comp.society.futures Subject: Re: *IF* Message-ID: <8806111732.AA04973@uunet.UU.NET> Date: 11 Jun 88 17:30:36 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 31 ) THe brain is undoubetedly a complex computer, but the ) mind is a non-tangible thing. Just as this VAX 8600 I am using now ) is a complex (supercomputers and the like aside) computer, but the ) programs I am using to send this message have absolutely no physical ) substance. The vax is indeed complex (though perhaps less so than the brain), but it is a deterministic device. All of the operations in the vax are performed by programs which are represented physically by electrical and magnetic states (flux changes on disk drive or voltages in memory cells). In fact, every program which is run on your computer has a physical substance which is (in principle) measurable by inserting voltage probes at the proper junctions. In case of trouble, it may be possible to arrange for a record of the computer state (possibly with an accompanying message "bus error, core dumped"). The same may not be true of the mind: I can not be sure that I can measure your brain and determine (eg) what kind if pizza you are imagining. Dr. T. Andrews, Systems CompuData, Inc. DeLand How does the findamental metastability problem (that all synchronous digital circuits are subject to, because they live in an asynchronous world) affect your argument? -------