Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!gatech!ulysses!smb From: smb@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com (Steven Bellovin) Newsgroups: news.admin Subject: Re: The death of USENET Message-ID: <10373@ulysses.homer.nj.att.com> Date: 14 Jun 88 18:31:49 GMT References: <7475@swan.ulowell.edu> <2645@rpp386.UUCP> <56228@sun.uucp> <641@scovert.sco.COM> Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 62 Let me try to offer a brief summary on what's going on at AT&T Bell Laboratories regarding Usenet. This is not an official statement by the company, but I was involved in many of the discussions that lead up to the new policy. In a sentence, what triggered all this was that top management (*very* top management) noticed Usenet, and wondered if it was a Bad Thing. Bad Things, in corporate America, are those that cost money, and it's fairly obvious that Usenet has that potential in a lot of ways. There are obvious things like phone costs and disk space; there are less obvious ones like employees reading netnews during work hours. And there was concern about lawsuits -- is AT&T liable for libel? what if someone uses a comp.sources program alleged to be public domain but not really? Etc. After many meetings, reports, task forces, arguments, etc., the company decided to manage netnews. I won't go into all the details about what that means internally, but one decision was to centralize the external newsfeeds. Such machines obviously need to be mail gateways as well; this idea was useful for other reasons, such as providing internal users with high-quality mail service to the outside world. To encourage migration to these gateways, a committment was made to provide official funding and staffing -- netnews and mail is *not* a part-time activity for the administrators of these machines. (That, by the way, is why folks can, should, and will subscribe to commercial email networks: managing connectivity on a large-scale basis is much harder than just sticking a line in the uucp Systems or L.sys file.) The price of official support, though, is official control, and top management did not feel that we should pay for carrying other folks' traffic. This is especially true when you realize that our gateways would then compete with our own commercial service, ATTMAIL. Hence the decision to stop forwarding 3rd-party mail. Note what we're not doing: a) We're not cutting off email contacts to the outside world. b) We're not dropping off of Usenet -- it's officially blessed here, though there may be some deletions from the list of newsgroups carried. (I've personally recommended that as a matter of corporate policy, binary groups be dropped -- the existence of electronic vandals makes such programs too risky to the company. We also don't permit people to bring explosives on-premises.) c) We're also not cutting off internal feeds, at least not as a matter of High Policy. Some local decisions may have been made -- Bell Labs is a big place -- but I can state categorically that that is not Bell Labs-wide policy. A lot of wild rumors have been floating around about this; any time a news feed hiccups, 17 worried postings appear asking if the axe has dropped. d) We're not cutting off our backbone machines without a lot of thought, preparation, and planning. Such a change probably will happen eventually; hence most AT&T machines will be deleted from the external backbone at some point. None of this has to do with JJ or any other single incident; the origins of this go back over a year, with some aspects going back to at least 1982. --Steve Bellovin AT&T Bell Laboratories ulysses!smb