Xref: utzoo news.admin:2572 news.sysadmin:745 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!uwvax!umn-d-ub!umn-cs!bungia!com50!clout!mark From: mark@clout.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.sysadmin Subject: Re: FCC? U.S.Mail.? (Re: JJ's Revenge -- Part II) Message-ID: <273@clout.Jhereg.MN.ORG> Date: 13 Jun 88 18:44:05 GMT References: <33@uisc1.UUCP> <3132@edm.UUCP> <75@uisc1.UUCP> Reply-To: mark@clout.Jhereg.MN.ORG (Mark H. Colburn) Organization: House Jhereg, Streamwood, IL Lines: 63 In article <75@uisc1.UUCP> root@uisc1.UUCP (Super user) writes: >In article <3132@edm.UUCP>, steve@edm.UUCP (Stephen Samuel) writes: >> >> I think, however, that it is useful to stomp on people that do things like >> what JJ did, before the FCC decides to regulate things pre-emptively. >What I am reading here is that we should "stomp" on someone like JJ, who >has not done anything illegal (any proof to the contrary - not emotional >claptrap but hard statute or binding precedent - would be welcomed) Not too long ago there was a similar case of an individual which ran an ad in the paper which read something like JJ's message. Basically the gist of it was that you should send him a dollar just 'cause he was a nice guy. There were no promises of services, no advertisment of products, etc. Just a plea for cash. This individual was stopped by the post office for mail fraud. I don't beleive that they ever sued, but they did make him stop running his add, which netted him a fair amount of money. At this particular time, I can not remeber the case, but it was publicized a great deal. The precedent for this is that "chain letters" are illegal. If you think about it, given a standard chain letter where no money is involved, there is no reason why it should be illegal. It does not represent a hazard to anybody's morals, or hurt anybody. Directly. However, it does tie up the post office, thereby slowing everybodies mail down. If you think about the chain letter concept, it is possible for a chain letter to literally stop all mail from flowing through the system after only several inerations. Remember that chain letters multiply exponentially. Imagine that you sent a letter to 5 friends, and they sent it to five friends, etc. After about only a few itterations there are litterally millions of letters in the post office, asking for yet more letters to be written. Think about what this would do to the mail service in your area. Would you like it? (By the way, chain letters that involve money are a different ball of wax altogether. There is somebody out there getting rich, and somebody is being soaked, but they don't know it. This, therefore, is mail fraud.) What JJ did was not illegal according to his rights to express himself, but it is illegal according to laws which were developed to allow mail to flow throughout the world with as little problems as possible. Although the chain-letter law does impose a "limit" on our freedom of expression, it is not a limit which people going about normal day-to-day business are going to find bothersome, and in the long run, it helps us all. -- Mark H. Colburn mark@jhereg.chi.il.us mark@jhereg.mn.org ..!chinet!jhereg!mark