Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!think!ames!pasteur!agate!saturn!ucscc.UCSC.EDU!haynes From: haynes@ucscc.UCSC.EDU (99700000) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: stack machines (Burroughs) Keywords: RISC, real-time Message-ID: <3759@saturn.ucsc.edu> Date: 14 Jun 88 15:40:14 GMT References: <1521@pt.cs.cmu.edu> <1532@pt.cs.cmu.edu> <476@pcrat.UUCP> <2868@louie.udel.EDU> <370@dlscg1.UUCP> <3147@polyslo.UUCP> <3693@saturn.ucsc.edu> <853@wucs2.UUCP> Sender: usenet@saturn.ucsc.edu Reply-To: haynes@ucscc.UCSC.EDU (Jim Haynes) Organization: California State Home for the Weird Lines: 22 In article <853@wucs2.UUCP> jps@wucs2.UUCP (James Sterbenz) writes: >In article <3693@saturn.ucsc.edu> haynes@ucscc.UCSC.EDU (Jim Haynes) writes: >>Well there are different meanings to "sophisticated", but for real >>sophistry you need to see a system that uses a lot of letter >>abbreviations like JES and MVS and VS1 and VM and CMS and OS and ... >>where each flavor needs a different compiler and file system. > >I personally find the 5000/6000/7000/A architectural basis very elegant, >but c'mon, get your history right ... Guess I should have put a ;-) after "sophistry" - Of course, the B5000 and its successors are the only machines I would call "elegant". All these letter abbreviations are just what I hear coming over the partition from co-workers trying to get the latest machine from that three-letter company into production. For further reference in that particular debate see the article "A Tale of Two Computers" in the May, 1977 issue of IEEE Computer magazine. haynes@ucscc.ucsc.edu haynes@ucscc.bitnet ..ucbvax!ucscc!haynes