Xref: utzoo news.groups:4555 news.admin:2637 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!yale!husc6!ukma!david From: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Newsgroups: news.groups,news.admin Subject: Re: Democracy at work: Big brother is watching Message-ID: <9685@e.ms.uky.edu> Date: 15 Jun 88 21:57:51 GMT References: <56436@sun.uucp> <15613@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> <4342@medusa.cs.purdue.edu> <44373@beno.seismo.CSS.GOV> <2220@epimass.EPI.COM> Reply-To: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Organization: U of Kentucky, Mathematical Sciences Lines: 55 In article <2220@epimass.EPI.COM> jbuck@epimass.EPI.COM (Joe Buck) writes: >In article <44373@beno.seismo.CSS.GOV> rick@seismo.CSS.GOV (Rick Adams) writes: >>I'm still waiting for the answer to two simple questions: >> >> 1) Why comp.women instead of comp.discrimination or some such? >Because we voted on it. >> Are women the only ones with these problems? If not, >> why exclude the others. >Because we voted on it. >> 2) Is this problem unique to the computer industry. If not, >> why not sci.women or soc.wgas >Because we voted on it. >>The proponents of comp.women continually dodge these simple questions. >>This to me implys that they can't make a case for it. >We've discussed these questions for a month; haven't you been >reading? >>Any answers not directly addressing those fundamental questions >>are irrelevant to the discussion. >We've discussed it, and voted on it. Sure, it's been discussed and voted to death. There is a basic fundamental flaw in our system however. That is, the name of what is being voted on is being settled too early in the process. We've discussed and voted into probable existance a newsgroup that has an extremely inappropriate name. [before this goes too far -- I can believe the newsgroup belongs under comp somewhere, and MOST of the backboners who have spoken up also believes it belongs under comp somewhere. Gene did manage to convince us of that. I STRONGLY believe it belongs a level down in the hierarchy somehow.] I am arguing (on the backbone list) that since it is a bad name that we need to come up with a better name for it before it gets created. The reason being that historically it has been very difficult to get a name changed properly. It requires a fair bit of cooperation -- something which the backbone hasn't been doing too much of lately -- and also requires non-buggy software at the majority of sites. AT THE SAME TIME OR VERY SOON THEREAFTER we need to start discussing various changes to the procedures. Chuq's comments need to also be taken into account and possibly a broader list of procedures should be written than just "How to create a newsgroup". -- <---- David Herron -- The E-Mail guy <---- s.k.a.: David le casse\*' {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <---- A proud supporter of the Marcel Marceau Foundation <------ Because a mime is a terrible thing to waste