Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!mailrus!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!VAX.ACS.OPEN.AC.UK!ADVISORY From: ADVISORY@VAX.ACS.OPEN.AC.UK Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: No such user A_MONK Message-ID: <8807012007.AA03629@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Date: 1 Jul 88 16:26:12 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 451 From: FTP_Manager 1-JUL-1988 16:16 To: POSTMASTER Subj: Network mail failure Unable to return Network Mail to EARN.FINHUTC. Please check your Network Autho Local Mail delivery failed to following Usernames: A_MONK Mail text: Received: from UKACRL by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 3286; Fri, 01 Jul 88 16:16:23 BS Received: by UKACRL (Mailer X1.25) id 3249; Fri, 01 Jul 88 16:16:15 BST Date: Thu, 30 Jun 88 18:55:39 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@EDU.STANFORD.SCORE Sender: "Atari ST users forum (INFO-ATARI16)" Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was Info-Atari16-request@Score.Stanford.E From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V88 #297 To: ALASDAIR MONK Info-Atari16 Digest Thursday, June 30, 1988 Volume 88 : Issue 297 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Re: MWC & large arrays -- help! HP DeskJet disk drive data disaster, part 2 Re: Midi Mega's Re: Software info request Re: Mono shakes/Uniterm blues Re: Midi Mega's RE: Atari Hard disk "clones" Compute!'s Atari ST Re: MWC & large arrays -- help! Atari ST system for sale Re: Binaries news group postings Re: Compute!'s Atari ST ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Jun 88 05:21:48 GMT From: lakesys!jason@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (Jason) Subject: Re: MWC & large arrays -- help! To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <411@brambo.UUCP>, sid@brambo.UUCP (Sid Van den Heede) writes: > In article <46700008@hcx2> jgj@hcx2.SSD.HARRIS.COM writes: > >I have experienced this problem too. As far as I can tell, in 3.0, structures > >are limited to 32Kb. Also, elements of an array are limited to 32Kb. > > I thought 3.0 was supposed to fix the problem with big arrays etc. > [Rest of article deleted] > Sid Van den Heede Voice: 416-792-1137 Version 3.0 does handle ARRAYS that are larger than 32k... I've never had any array ELEMENTS that've exceeded 32k (or any structures by themselves which were that big) so I can't verify/deny what was said about that. However, I DO know that MWC 3.0 properly handles large arrays (how large, I'm not sure) Just for kicks and giggles, why would anyone want elements/structures that were >32k? Or, put differently, what's in it? Huge arrays? (Or 16384 ints? :) Jason - Not your average iconoclast. "The first office copiers were, as is well known, monks." - David Owen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 88 12:08 EDT From: FRANK%aslcl1.sdr.slb.com@RELAY.CS.NET Subject: HP DeskJet To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU X-VMS-To: MRGATE::M_SDR::IN%"INFO-ATARI16@score.Stanford.edu" I just bought a HP DeskJet and thought I'd report my experiences. 1. Reviews in Current Notes and ST Applications (June) are accurate. 2. It works great with TimeWorks DTP LaserJet GDOS driver. 3. It works even better with Migraph DeskJet GDOS driver. 4. For some applications you might want the Epson FX-80 emulator cartridge. Makes DJ work like Epson but text is 300dpi at 100cps. Its better than Epson cause compressed type is also LQ. Graphics is only Epson quality thou with Epson cartridge. 5. Epson cartridge works fine with Epstart and Magic Sac. 6. DJ can be used in native mode for text if you use Serial driver and Typewriter mode that comes with MS Word. Great quality type but only one font type per document. 7. Not only is DJ FAST but it is whisper quiet. My Supra totally drowns it out. It so impressed my local Atari dealer that he will be carrying DeskJets. He says he will sell them at $800 (List Price is $1000). Call Dave at Computers to Grow (713) 777-1673 for more info. The DeskJet is a perfect match for the ST, it works fine with all ST memory configurations 512K and up. With a 1040, Timeworks DTP and a DeskJet, you can have a true DeskTop Publishing System for under $2000, although a hard disk would speed things up. To me the DeskJet is "power without the price". As long as Atari wants $1995 for their Laser, the DeskJet offers the most price/performance! I have no affiliation with either Computers to Grow or Hewlett Packard, other than being a satisfied customer. Brazil - It's only a state of mind. Bill Frank FRANK@aslcl1.sdr.slb.com by Relay.CS.NET ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jun 88 19:01:51 EDT From: jsd%UMass.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU Subject: disk drive data disaster, part 2 To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu You may or may not recall that I was having problems with frequent and inexplicable data errors on my SF 314 floppy. I received many letters, and thanks to all who wrote. The mail I received indicated that basically _anything_ could be the problem - the disk controller chip, the head alignment, dirty heads, bad disks... And the answer is - I have absolutely no idea what. The drive magically fixed itself the very day I planned to take it into a store for head alignment. This was over a week ago and it hasn't even hiccuped since. All the disks that were "unformattable" and "completely damaged" are now perfect. I have thrown out most of the really troublesome ones. My advice to those with this problem is the following: pick the drive up, shout in a loud voice: "I'm going to take my drive to the store now for alignment. Oops, looks like I won't make it in time." and slam it back down on the desk with a gentle yet firm touch. It worked for me. ----------- Jon Drukman University of Massachusetts BITNET: jsd@umass ARPANET: jsd%umass.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu "Naked man calm down, I'll give you some strawberry cake." - sugarcubes ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 88 17:26:40 GMT From: ssyx!koreth@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Steven Grimm) Subject: Re: Midi Mega's To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <335@bdt.UUCP> david@bdt.UUCP (David Beckemeyer) writes: > >Oh, and today I got a call from Sig Hartmann at Atari, title here> telling me that I'm "no longer allowed to make negative statements >on USENET" and that he "is my sole contact for Atari related communications". That's outrageous! Who died and made Atari God? You may have a different developer status than I do, but I never signed anything saying that I wouldn't badmouth Atari. In my opinion, you're perfectly justified if you laugh in his face next time you see him. That was a very rude and unprofessional thing for him to do (though I suppose I don't want to place the blame on Sig without evidence -- he could have been instructed by a sinister higher-up in the company...) --- These are my opinions, and in no way reflect those of UCSC, which are wrong. Steven Grimm Moderator, comp.,sources,binaries-.atari.st koreth@ssyx.ucsc.edu ...!ucbvax!ucscc!ssyx!koreth ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 88 21:49:11 GMT From: mcvax!philmds!leo@uunet.uu.net (Leo de Wit) Subject: Re: Software info request To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <8806172208.AA25270@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> U0179@DGOGWDG5.BITNET ("GWDGV1::WHUEBNER") writes (amongst other things): > >Is there anyone who has ... > > a) informations about a SPSS implementation on ATARI ST .. On the risk of asking a dumb question: what does SPSS stand for ?? (I know of SCCS, RCS, ps, sps, sp, P.S. 8-) Leo. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 88 05:24:11 GMT From: killer!pollux!dalsqnt!usl!usl-pc!jpdres13@ames.arc.nasa.gov (John Joubert) Subject: Re: Mono shakes/Uniterm blues To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu ----------------------- My monochrome monitor shakes also. A friend of mine has one and it shakes and has a strange kind of tilt to it also. Anyone know of a good remedy? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Joubert | /\ | /\ | _ jpdres13@usl-pc.USL or ... | \|<>|>|> \|<>|>|><`|`| ut-sally!usl!usl-pc!jpdres13 |-----/|-------/|---------------------- GEnie: J.JOUBERT | \/ \/ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 88 02:01:39 GMT From: portal!atari!kbad@uunet.uu.net (Ken Badertscher) Subject: Re: Midi Mega's To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu in article <1684@vaxb.calgary.UUCP>, brinsmead@calgary.UUCP (Mark Brinsmead) says: > >>... Atari appreciates the fervor indicated by Mr. Hedger, and his >>obvious concern for our strategic direction and distribution policy. We are >>concerned, however, that such misinformation would be placed in a public forum > > You have ever right for concern, and in fact, probably deserve an appology. > >>and accordingly we request that in advance of such statements in the future, >>Atari be called and the facts of such perceived policies be confirmed. > > What's the number? Perhaps spreading it around will prevent future errors. Folks at Atari Corporation can be reached at (408) 745-2000 in the US. Ken Badertscher Atari Software Test/Support (kbad@atari.UUCP) -- Ken Badertscher | Atari Software Test/Support | kbad@atari.UUCP | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jun 88 08:09 EDT From: "From the screen of Deneva... 24-Jun-1988 0809" Subject: RE: Atari Hard disk "clones" To: info-atari16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU X-VMS-To: COINS::IN%"info-atari16@score.stanford.edu" I have built my own hard drive sub-system for my 1040ST (the 520ST would be the same). This is what I did: 1) I purchased Supra's DMA to SCSI adapter from the store where I purchased my ST (cost $125.00). Contact your local Atari dealer or Supra directly for info on how to get this. There are several other companies that sell DMA to SCSI adapters for the ST. 2) I purchased via mail order an Adaptec 4000 SCSI to ST506 disk controller from The Computer Surplus Store (715 Sycamore Drive, Milpitas, CA 95035, 408-434-0168 (phone orders: 408-434-1060)). This cost me $89.00. These people also sell the Adaptex 4070 controller. The 4000 is a straight dual drive ST506 controller, the 4070 is a RLL controller (also 2 drives I believe). 3) I purchased from JameCo an IBM-PC/XT clone box & power supply (JameCo sells all of the pieces to build-your-own IBM-PC XT or AT clone - the boxes, power supplies, mother boards, etc.) The case went for about $30.00 and the power supply for about $100.00. The box is rather large and the power supply rather beefy - I plan to add a 1/4" cartidge tape drive (I already have a SCSI to QIC-36 tape drive controller). You might do with a smaller box and smaller power supply. Probably any full-height or dual 1/2 height drive box will do (use a single 1/2 height drive and put the interface board where the second 1/2 height drive would go). Priority One sells disk drive boxes, as to various other mail order companies. Check out the back of BYTE magazine and/or The Computer Shopper. 4) Ordered (from various electronics suppliers) ribbon cable (50 conductor) and connectors: 50-pin header connectors (SCSI bus), 34-pin edge connectors (hard disk interface cable), a 20-pin edge and header connecters (hard disk interface cable), and a 2-pin power connector set for the Surpa board. 5) I purchased an ST251 (40+ meg, half height hard disk) from Bull Dog computer. I think I paid about $400 for this drive. It even came with MS-DOS software for formatting and partitioning the drive (not much use to me!). It all works. The Supra board came with Supra's hard disk utilities disk - had no trouble formatting and partitioning the drive. I have it setup with two partitions: a small (2MEG) GEM partition and a large (38+Meg) OS-9 partition (I mostly run OS-9 rather than GEM). The Supra DMA adapter came with info on adding your own hard disk controllers and the Utilities disk had an ARC file with picture files showing the board layouts of the Supra board and seveal popular SCSI/ST506 controller boards. It is not really hard. So long as you keep track of pin one on the various connectors, you should not have trouble. Oh, one trick: 1/2 the pins on each of the ribbon cables are grounds - you will notice that the contacts on the PC boards will have all (or most) of the pins or edge fingers wired together - this can be used to verify the that the connectors are correctly oriented. Also: on the power connector set for the Supra board - it is a good idea to wire the female end to the "live" (power supply) end. This prevents fireworks should the power be applied and the connector is just hanging loose - prevents shorting out the power supply to ground. Robert Heller ARPANet: Heller@CS.UMass.EDU BITNET: Heller@UMass.BITNET BIX: Heller GEnie: RHeller FidoNet: 322/410 (Locks Hill BBS, Wendell, MA) CompuServe 71450,3432 Local PV VAXen: COINS::HELLER UCC Cyber/DG: Heller@CS ------------------------------ Date: 23 Jun 88 23:29:25 GMT From: sbmsg1!scbhq!ooa@gatech.edu (O.Atkins) Subject: Compute!'s Atari ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I decided to check out what is happening at Compute! on the Atari ST today. Apparently all the rumors are correct, and Compute! has discontinued the Atari ST magazine and disk. A quick call to their 1-800-727-6937 number confirmed that distribution has stopped. I have the June/July issue, and they said that the unused portion of my subscription would be refunded, but they don't know when! Well, there goes another "Atari" product 'dropping into the ole bit bucket'! Is someone trying to send US a message? Hello, Atari, is anybody home? Owen (never get in line with me - I never get waited on!) UUCP ...!scbhq!ooa STANDARD DISCLAIMER: I claim anything!! At my age I'm proud to be blamed. Now that's recognition! ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 88 18:01:48 GMT From: leah!jac423@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (Julius A Cisek) Subject: Re: MWC & large arrays -- help! To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu This is in response to the question about large structures in MWC (INEWS is not letting me include the article!) The only thing I can think of right now is that the problem is with the ST, and not the MWC. In Lazer C you are restricted to 32K arrays and structures and since it is because of the way the ST partitions memory, I'd have to say that MWC would have the same problem... I could be wrong, so please no flames. -- What about technology, computers, .------------------. J.A.Cisek nuclear fusion? I'm terrified of |Spectral Fantasies| jac423@leah.albany.edu radiation, I hate the television. `------------------' jac423@rachel.albany.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 88 17:35:27 GMT From: leah!jac423@csd1.milw.wisc.edu (Julius A Cisek) Subject: Atari ST system for sale To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Atari 520ST system for sale: Atari 520ST computer 2 SF354 (single-sided) drives Color Monitor Plus the following store bought (includes boxes and manuals) software and hardware: Megamax C Development package Hippo Sound Digitizer (all hardware included) Dungeon Master Sundog Music Studio The Bard's Tale S.D.I. Brattacus plus MUCH more ($700+ worth of software) also approx. 100 disks of PD, Shareware, and other software. Asking: $700 or best offer. (Think of it like buying the software and getting the computer for free! ;-) If you are interested, another $150 will buy you the Atari SF804 (ST standard) Dot-Matrix printer and a cabinet to house the entire system. Please contact me at jac423@leah or by replying to this message. -- What about technology, computers, .------------------. J.A.Cisek nuclear fusion? I'm terrified of |Spectral Fantasies| jac423@leah.albany.edu radiation, I hate the television. `------------------' jac423@rachel.albany.edu ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 88 14:49:19 GMT From: polyof!jeff@nyu.edu (A1 jeff giordano ) Subject: Re: Binaries news group postings To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <3144@crash.cts.com>, sreeb@pnet01.cts.com (Ed Beers) writes: > rthurlow@van-bc.UUCP (Rob Thurlow) writes: > > [stuff about a munged file deleted] > This brought to mind a problem I have. Several of the last posting have > required a unix shell to decode. I have only limited access to to a unix > machine which doesn't seem able to unpack these anyway. Is there a program > that allows unpacking these on my ST? Is there a real need to use these > rather than just arcing and uuencoding? Yes, there is a program to take apart shell archives. It was posted to the net about a year ago, it is called shar.ttp. You can get it fron you favorit st archive. If that doesnot work drop me a note and i will e-mail it to you. geoffrey giordano UUCP: ...!iguana!polyof!jeff internet: jeff@polyof or jeff@128.238.10.100 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Jun 88 22:16:00 GMT From: mailrus!caen.engin.umich.edu!acn@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Jon Brode) Subject: Re: Compute!'s Atari ST To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I've heard that Compute! didn't allow BBS's to post software from the magazines disks. Now that they are no longer supporting the ST, will they allow us to post their old programs on Bulliten Boards? (or ftp'able archives...) Jon Brode -- acn@caen.engin.umich.edu (Commander-in-Chief of the Atari forces at U of M) ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------