Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!uwmcsd1!ig!agate!violet.berkeley.edu!skyler From: skyler@violet.berkeley.edu Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: women.wizards Message-ID: <12788@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 30 Jul 88 07:58:58 GMT Sender: usenet@agate.BERKELEY.EDU Lines: 88 Approved: skyler@violet.berkeley.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu The same friend also writes: An odd thing for me, though, is not understanding the gender mix that some people encounter. Everywhere that I have worked, there was a high proportion of women in the technical staff -- or at least it seemed so to me -- if not in technical management. And of course the first wizards in the U.S. were women -- the Eniac was basically operated by Navy women in the pictures I've seen. That is where Grace Hopper and Betty Holberton got their starts, and I have had the pleasure of working with other women who started in the early days of Univac. In my life as a consultant, about a year ago I did a study in an organization where *all* project leaders with line responsibilities were women. The one exception was the Data Base Administrator, who was a male peer of the project leaders. The manager was a man and he was grooming his two most senior project leaders to be his backups and replacements. (Whether that happens will depend more on the attitude of the management line above him, I expect.) I'm inclined to think that the usual wizard profile is still pretty masculine, of course. By the way, it was Grace Hopper who first pointed out to me that computing at home was a nifty activity for women with newborns and infants. This was back before PCs, but she pointed out that groups of women had banded together in the Boston area to do part-time programming work in order to be at home too. I have heard of other groups from time to time. My impression, again, as for data processing's flexibility generally, is that opportunities for work-at-home are *greater* in the computer field though not so prevalent as to be considered a dominant form of work. Flex time also seems to be more common. My wife (with whom there are technophobe issues around the household, though she does a lot better over time) is a data-processing manager in an insurance company, and they have actually paid to put terminals in the homes of some people who wanted to work part time from home. These are always very special arrangements, and they don't always work out. Also, I think most of them are justified as being temporary and with a maximum agreed duration, anyhow. The treatment of word processing and data entry as piecework is inevitable, I think, since there is no usual on-site supervision for verification of work hours and performance. If you were paying someone to type your thesis out of your sight, would you prefer to pay by the page or by the hour? The opportunity for part-time work in data processing also seems to be very high. Most of the examples that I hear about are of women who want more time with family and infants. Also, job sharing between two women each wanting part-time work is seen. I think the male counterpart of this is the freelance consultant, but the motivation does not seem to be about home life so much. I think we'd see more variations if the earning power of the adults in the same household were closer (as in my case) or the wife has the better salary. It still strikes me that the part-time and work-at-home arrangements that I hear about are essentially economic compromises in terms of the marginal income of the household. I'm not real pleased about these observations. It seems to be how we are operating, though. Back to wizards for a moment. The association of compulsive behavior and wizardry seems to be generally accepted. Although there is a mystique associated with the type, I should point out that the wizard/hacker behavior type is viewed as fairly deviant and not rewarded above the techie ladder any better than women. I've seen reformed wizards at management levels, but not too many practising ones! Since the trend is to not depend on wizards and hackers in professional settings, it's probably no loss that women have been excluded from that vanishing tribe! (Well, I don't mean that, of course. I object to the institutionalized exclusion, but just want to point out that wizards aren't universally esteemed and organizations prefer not to depend on them for critical matters.) Well, it's hot and I don't want to talk about this any more today. (I think I'm feeling overly pessimistic about the possibilities of much more progress toward social equality for a few years. The racist stuff from women about denial of ADC, etc., is really bothersome. I agree that we have a problem when, because of a combination of practices and policies, we are vulnerable to unliteral acts -- e.g., pregnancies -- by strangers (I guess I can include drunk driving and not wearing motorcycle helmets or seat belts too). I don't have an answer to that, either, except to observe that government is no substitute for community -- but it is the best you get when community is not in the cards. Maybe I need to state this better. I think there is a rebellion against the careless or mistaken acts of others creating obligations for *us* (whoever we are) without our participation or concent. (The war against second-hand tobacco smoke and DWI-ers strikes me as part of that, along with the unhappiness with people who plop nuclear power plants onto the landscape and otherwise behave rather unilaterally in exposing us to technological risks.) As a society, we have a real problem reconciling the obligations of society (e.g., *us*) to take care of each other with the autonomy that is conceded with regard to the creation, rearing, and education of new citizens. So I haven't stated it any better, after all, and I've lost track of the nesting of parentheses anyhow. ))))...)))) should do it.