Xref: utzoo comp.dcom.modems:2160 comp.sys.ibm.pc:17617 Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ukma!david From: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.sys.ibm.pc Subject: Re: Direct modem line from USA to France? Message-ID: <10109@e.ms.uky.edu> Date: 1 Aug 88 22:15:20 GMT References: <297@amanue.UUCP> <7651@cup.portal.com> <7752@cup.portal.com> <1815@loral.UUCP> Reply-To: david@ms.uky.edu (David Herron -- One of the vertebrae) Organization: U of Kentucky, Mathematical Sciences Lines: 40 In article <1815@loral.UUCP> jcb@loral.UUCP (Jay C. Bowden) writes: >In article <7752@cup.portal.com> David@cup.portal.com writes: >>I know that there are a lot of trailblazers used to connect the USENET >>sites, and that's fine for them, just not fine for me, because I hate > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>tossing stuff in the trash in a year or two. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >This is going to sound critical, but that's OLD AGE THINKING! You're >swimmin' up stream, baby, and stifling the economy, too! ... >The trend is unarguably towards shorter product lifespans; look at >your car for example! To me the key thing to look at here is why >we think of this as "bad". I, for one, spend a fair amount of time >consciously trying to force myself out of this mindset. Something >to consider, anyway. weee-eeell.. This is really straying from the beaten subject ... but I really hate this trend towards throwaway products. I really like being able to buy something and use it for 10 years or longer. Especially with something which so intensively uses raw materials like iron & copper, as a car does. To take some raw materials and cast them into some form takes time, energy and effort. Time is fairly cheap (depending on who is spending the time) but energy and effort is not cheap. (especially energy ... we need to be figuring out how to preserve energy rather than throwing it away). I equate throwing things away with throwing away the stuff which went into making the things. I spend a fair amount of time consciously trying to force myself out of the throwaway mindset. Something to consider, anyway. -- <---- David Herron -- The E-Mail guy <---- ska: David le casse\*' {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!david, david@UKMA.BITNET <---- <---- Looking forward to a particularly blatant, talkative and period bikini ...