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From: fyl@fylz.UUCP (fyl)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Proposed lawsuit
Message-ID: <235@fylz.UUCP>
Date: 19 Jul 88 16:24:31 GMT
References: <12165@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <4461@sphinx.uchicago.edu>
Organization: FYL, Seattle, WA
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Followup: alt.flame

In article <12179@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>, era1987@violet.berkeley.edu writes:
> In article <4461@sphinx.uchicago.edu> kus3@sphinx.uchicago.edu.UUCP (Bob Kusumoto) writes:
> >*** Flame on ***

> Flames belong in alt.flame.

All of this belongs in alt.flame!!
> 
> >  OK, you've endured hell for just existing on the next and posting whatever
> >you want.  You even been through therapy to help yourself.  Then why are you
> >still here?  I don't ever read things like soc.women or misc.legal, but if
> >your problems are coming from USENET, why don't you quit using it then.   
> 
> I see.  Well, there's a black man who is an FBI agent who has
> endured hell being harassed by his fellow agents because of
> his color.  He hasn't quit his job, as you seem to feel he should.
> There are Oriental students at universities all over this country
> who are being harassed on the basis of their ethnic origin and
> are going through hell, but I don't see you suggesting they drop out of
> school.  Many women are going through hell because of harassment
> by employers and coworkers, particularly if they have nontraditional
> jobs, but that doesn't mean they have to stay home and have babies
> and not work, or only do traditionally female types of work.  Please
> keep your flames in alt.flame from now on, particularly if they
> involve telling women or minorities to get lost if they don't like
> being discriminated against or harassed.

I managed to ignore this B.S. until it moved to groups that I find
to be useful and/or important to my work.  Once this appeared, I was
in hopes that the net users would ignore it and hopefully Mark would
find a new place to rant.  It didn't work.  Oh well.  Now I find that
the two machines that I am responsible for are paying to transport
a senseless discussion between an combination of crazy people, bigots
and concerned people who can't figure out why the hell this discussion
exists at all.

I, for one, can't.  As long as there are more than one human on this
planet, there will be different opinions.  Many times I have tried
to convince "liberated women" (whatever that is) that man and the
male pronouns are generic.  This means this means that when a bigot
refers to a woman as the chairman or whatever, she should accept it
as this generic reference.  With a little effort on the part of the
liberated ones they could put the bigot on the defensive where he
would have to invent new words for exclusive references to males.
Well, I get blasted by the liberated for such a dumb position.

Now, we have a "female person" who wants to be refered to by a male
pronoun.  I think "it" should go argue with the others of the female
sex about this issue and when all of the females agree, they can
present a proposal to the rest of us.

I personally think it would be nice to have a sex-free way to refer
to humans but bitching at people because they are not willing to use
something that doesn't exist is not a way to solve a problem.
If black FBI agents are discriminated against, this is a real problem
with laws to deal with it.  On the other hand, if you want to destroy
a communications network that you use for free and we pay for because
you expect people to treat you in a manner that cannot be defined,
the only problem I see is that you have lost touch with reality.

-- 
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