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From: bytebug@dhw68k.cts.com (Roger L. Long)
Newsgroups: news.admin,misc.legal,soc.women
Subject: Re: Proposed lawsuit
Message-ID: <9900@dhw68k.cts.com>
Date: 23 Jul 88 15:06:20 GMT
References: <12165@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <6278@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <12180@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>
Reply-To: bytebug@dhw68k.cts.com (Roger L. Long)
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In article <12180@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> era1987@violet.berkeley.edu writes:
>In article <6278@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> peter@athena.mit.edu writes:
>>Who is this MES person? Why does (sexual term) get so ****ed off when people
>>refer to (sexual term) by feminine pronouns?
>
>I am an emancipated woman, and I am accustomed to and have
>established my legal right to equal terms without regard to sex.

>Pretending you know my sex but don't know my name is an
>interesting ploy to violate my rights yet again.  I am a person,
>a human being, a citizen, and my name is Mark.  Do you call everyone
>named Mark by diminutive pronouns, or are you doing it only to
>treat me differently from other people similarly situated, on the
>basis of my sex?

Your name could be Tom, Dick, or Harry.  If you're female, the female
pronoun is use to refer to you, and if you're male, the male pronoun
is used to refer to you.  It's really quite simple.  I'm pretty sure
they cover this subject matter in grade school.

Regardless of whatever legal action you've felt you've needed to take
in the past, the plain and simple truth is, if you were born as a female
onto this planet, that's what you are.  Nothing will ever change that.
Ever.  You can do whatever you want, say whatever you want to say, but
if they take any cell off your body, it will always and forever have two
X chromosomes, which by definition makes you FEMALE!  That means that I 
and everyone else on this planet have every right in the world to refer
to you as SHE, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.  It's
a point of FACT.  Calling yourself Mark changes NOTHING.

>The reason my name is Mark, is so that people will have no need to
>use diminutive, sexual, exclusive terms to refer to me.
>Otherwise, if I had a traditional name, and was referred to with
>traditional pronouns, every single reference to me would refer
>to my sex instead of to me.  Think of it this way, Peter.  I am a
>man in the Constitutional sense that all men are created equal.
>The inclusive sense.  I am not female, my sex is.  I am not blue,
>my eyes are.  

You don't consider HIM and HIS sexual, exclusive terms?  It matters
not what name you choose to be called.  "Traditional pronouns" refer to
sex.  That's the way they work.  Unless, of course you wish us to use
IT, which is sexless.  Maybe that's what you want, and you can join the
ranks of all of the neutered cats and dogs of the world.  Of couse,
neutering changes nothing; they're still XX or XY, which is why I still
refer to my cats as "he" and "him".

I used to refer to my unborn baby as "it", but we said "he" or "she" on
occasion.  As of yesterday when an ultrasound was done, we will be referring
to "him". :-)

My advice to you is to grow up.  Play by the rules of the game, instead of
trying to make up your own rules and forcing everyone else to play your
game.  Threatening to sue someone who doesn't agree with you and play the
game by your rules is both selfish and childish.  Except most children
just take their marbles and go home.

Grow up.
-- 
	Roger L. Long
	dhw68k!bytebug