Xref: utzoo misc.legal:5537 news.admin:3184 soc.women:12274 Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ucbvax!decwrl!purdue!i.cc.purdue.edu!j.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!staff.cc.purdue.edu!rsk From: rsk@staff.cc.purdue.edu (Rich Kulawiec) Newsgroups: misc.legal,news.admin,soc.women Subject: Re: A real sweetheart Summary: This is not the law. Message-ID: <18@staff.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 29 Jul 88 12:42:05 GMT References: <12624@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <1809@iscuva.ISCS.COM> <12729@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Reply-To: rsk@staff.cc.purdue.edu.UUCP (Rich Kulawiec) Organization: Purdue University Lines: 46 In article <12729@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> era1987@violet.berkeley.edu writes: >If the only reason you can give for referring to someone repeatedly, >against their wishes, in a rude and impolite way that refers >to what they are, rather than what they said, that is, to their race, >religion, color, age, handicap, or sex, is that they ARE that >particular race, religion, color, age, handicap, or sex, then >you have a case of discrimination based on race, religion, color, age, >handicap or sex. This is not the law, in my opinion. Let me put that a bit more strongly: this is clearly not the law, and it is a wild and dangerous misconstruction of constitutional provisions and case law. I hesitated to dignify such a ridiculous assertion with a response; but I felt that the possibility existed that someone else might possibly be convinced of the truth of the above-quoted statement, and I wanted to forestall that, if possible. Simply put, anti-discrimination amendments, statutes, and case law do not involve speech; they involve such practices as hiring, admission to the bar, access to schools, use of public transport, membership in civic organizations, and so on. Further, discrimination based on age, handicap, or sex has not been given the same strict scrutiny that discrimination based on race or religion has. In particular, the Supreme Court has not determined that women are a "suspect class"; this means that the standards of judicial review applied in sex discrimination cases are not as rigorous as in some other situations. (See Craig v. Boren, Rostker v. Goldberg, Gelduldig v. Aiello, all modern gender-based discrimination cases.) Please note as well that freedom of speech admits only minor and (hopefully) limited restrictions: the so-called "fighting words", although that doesn't appear much anymore; "obscene speech"; certain forms of symbolic speech which might involve conduct; issues of "national security"; and certain "time, place, and manner" restrictions. I am aware of no Supreme Court cases which render certain forms of speech subject to restriction on the grounds that such speech is "discriminatory". (See Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, Roth v. United States, United States v. O'Brien, New York Times Co. v. United States, and other cases.) I strongly urge that no one base their concept of legal rights and duties on what has been appearing in this forum; that includes this article as well. I am not an attorney. Rich Kulawiec