Xref: utzoo sci.bio:1348 sci.misc:2107 sci.research:419 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!mahler.llnl.gov!colvin From: colvin@mahler.llnl.gov (Mike Colvin) Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.misc,sci.research Subject: Strange results in Nature article Summary: Antibody activity in 10**-38 Molar solutions Message-ID: <10465@lll-winken.llnl.gov> Date: 22 Jul 88 20:33:32 GMT Sender: usenet@lll-winken.llnl.gov Reply-To: colvin@mahler.llnl.gov.UUCP (Mike Colvin) Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory Lines: 28 Has anyone read in the newsgroup read the article: "Human basophil degranulation triggered by very dilute antiserum against IgE" in the June 30 Nature on page 816? It's also discussed in an editorial entitled "When to Believe the Unbelievable" on page 787 of the same issue. The article reports an extremely weird result which would seen to have no sensible physical explaination. The researchers set out to find the fractional cell degranualtion at various antibody concentrations. They found that there was *no* level of dilution at which the fraction of cell degranulation went to zero. EVEN WHEN THEY DILUTED THE SOLUTION DOWN TO 1 x 10**120. Since Avagadro's number is only about 6 * 10**23, this means that there is not even a single antibody present in these solutions. Note that degranulation is a very specific reaction which does not occur spontaneously or in the presence of other proteins. To futher rule out contamination the diluted solution was run through an ultrafiltration system, but the filtrate still caused degranulation. Interestingly, this activity can be inactivated by freeze-thawing or heating the solution above 70 C. Of course the experiment has been rerun several times by 6 research groups in 4 countries using normal double blind procedures. The authors have no explaination but hypothesize that the antibody is somehow leaving its "imprint" on the water molecules, but this explaination is unsatisfactory for many reasons. Nature is sponsoring an overview committee to monitor repititions of this experiment. Anyway, I just wanted to point out this truly bizarre article and would like to hear what other people have to say about it. -Mike Colvin