Xref: utzoo sci.bio:1369 sci.misc:2172 Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!ames!oliveb!pyramid!thirdi!metapsy!sarge From: sarge@metapsy.UUCP (Sarge Gerbode) Newsgroups: sci.bio,sci.misc Subject: Re: Strange results in Nature article (fallout...) Summary: Randi's views were quite predictable. Keywords: skepticism debunking Message-ID: <492@metapsy.UUCP> Date: 28 Jul 88 17:45:33 GMT References: <1911@aecom.YU.EDU> <6445@megaron.arizona.edu> Reply-To: sarge@metapsy.UUCP (Sarge Gerbode) Organization: Metapsychology, Woodside, CA Lines: 30 I found the data on the Amazing Randi's investigation of the Nature article unfortunate and unsurprising. Randi already "knows" that nothing unusual could ever happen. He is no scientist, nor does he have the spirit of the true scientific investigator, in my opinion, which is a committment to discover the truth, whatever it be. Instead, he is committed to debunking. He commits the same error as he imagines to be committed by those he attacks -- starting out from a determination to prove a particular point and then twisting the facts to fit that viewpoint. He, and his fellow "CSICOP" professional debunkers, are, in my view, doing the scientific community a disservice by intimidating and ridiculing those who have unusual ideas that could lead to major breakthroughs in unimagined areas. Perhaps 99.9999 % of these wild ideas are fallacious, but if some are not and are not being given a fair trial because of the negative PR generated by CSICOP, then we could be missing out on some pretty exciting advances. It's like the mutation theory of evolution -- perhaps 99.9999 % of mutations are lethal or contra-survival, but if we took steps to eliminate all mutation altogether, what would happen to evolution? Fallacious ideas -- mainstream or otherwise -- are eventually discovered in the course of unbiased, dispassionate investigation. We do not need a special "thought police" to protect us from ourselves. I do think that a claim that lays waste to a useful scientific schema requires a higher standard of proof than a claim that is compatible with that schema. A certain conservatism is beneficial. But the possibility of error in the received schema must always be considered to be there, for a true scientist. -- -------------------- Sarge Gerbode -- UUCP: pyramid!thirdi!metapsy!sarge Institute for Research in Metapsychology 950 Guinda St. Palo Alto, CA 94301