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From: shane@chianti.cc.umich.edu (Shane Looker)
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Subject: Re: AT&T C++ ports to the Mac?
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Date: 8 Aug 88 22:19:06 GMT
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In article <15236@apple.Apple.COM> dan@apple.apple.com.UUCP (Dan Allen) writes:
>
>Cfront has been ported via MPW C for almost a year now.  MPW 3.0 will
>feature a source level debugger.  MPW C does not need to generate inline
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 From the Marquis de Sade school of programming?  :-)

>assembly code because MPW includes a top-notch assembler as a standard
>tool.  

 Actually, I was told that the Assembler was going to be unbundled from the
shell, so you would have to buy the MPW Shell, C compiler, and Assembler to
use the "standard" tool.  Besides, I always find it to be a major pain to
write an entire routine (including entry/exit) to impliment 4 lines of 
assembly code. 
 
>      It assembles at over 40,000 lines/minute.  And MPW C can handle
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
             Advertising hype.  This assumes source code on RAM disk, as well
   as all #include files, and probably the C compiler as well.  (Sorry, but
   these numbers are a real sore point with me.)  What about linking time?

>Dan Allen


I didn't intend this to be a real flame, but my experience with MPW makes me
think that it is a dog.  The code generated is nice, but the compilers are
slow, the linkers are slow, and you need a meg to run under MultiFinder.
The source code debugger will take probably at least 3Meg (from rumors only,
this isn't gospel).  Right now the minimum MPW installation probably takes
3 Megs for the shell and tools and C compiler.  It isn't going to get any
smaller.


Your mileage may vary.  All warrenties, explicit and implicit are null and
void.


Shane Looker
Looker@um.cc.umich.edu