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From: rta@pixar.UUCP (Rick Ace)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: 4.3BSD rename() changes ctime
Summary: rename changes ctime to alert /etc/dump the file has changed
Keywords: ctime dump rename
Message-ID: <2167@pixar.UUCP>
Date: 5 Aug 88 14:41:46 GMT
References: <26657@oliveb.olivetti.com>
Organization: Pixar -- Marin County, California
Lines: 33

In article <26657@oliveb.olivetti.com>, jerry@olivey.olivetti.com (Jerry Aguirre) writes:
> Prior to the "rename" system call the mv command would change the ctime
> of a file even though the resulting data AND inode were identical.  This
> was an anavoidable consequence of the link and unlink process used to
> implement renaming.
> 
> Well, now that we have rename, it still does!  It doesn't seem right
> that a system call that doesn't change the inode or the data in the file
> should result in the file being dumped in the next backup.
> 
> Is this a bug or is there some justification for rename updating the
> ctime?

The principal purpose of the ctime field in the I-node is to alert
/etc/dump that the file has changed in *some way* and must be backed up.
In the case of "rename", the file's name has changed; thus the file has
changed in some way, and that fact must be recorded by /etc/dump.

When performing a non-level-0 dump, /etc/dump uses the ctime field in its
decision to determine whether or not to select a file for backup.
If anything about a file changes (mode, nlinks, data contents, name, etc.),
then that must be noted on a dump tape.  Unfortunately, /etc/dump operates
on an "all or nothing" basis, so in this case you pay the price of
backing up both the I-node's contents and the file's data just to record
the fact that the name alone changed.  (Indeed, there is not enough
information in the I-node for /etc/dump to distinguish between cases
where the file's data has changed and when only an I-node field has.)

Rick Ace
Pixar
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