Xref: utzoo news.admin:3241 news.software.b:1534 Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!peregrine!ccicpg!turnkey!conexch!root From: root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) Newsgroups: news.admin,news.software.b Subject: Usenet is not a BBS (Was: Re: Results of "moderation poll" (LONG)) Summary: Usenet is a publication medium not a Electronic Bulletin Board Message-ID: <6627@conexch.UUCP> Date: 8 Aug 88 16:18:37 GMT References: <401@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Reply-To: root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) Organization: The Consultants' Exchange, Orange County, CA. (714) 842-6348 Lines: 76 In article <401@mace.cc.purdue.edu> rsk@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Rich Kulawiec) writes: [Much useful information deleted to focus on the real problem] >the percentage of useful postings is way down. > >6. Unmoderated groups suffer from several problems; here are a few. > >1. Inappropriately posted articles (including excessive cross-posting) >2. Numerous replies to simple questions (which should have been mailed) >3. Excessively-quoting followups (sometimes bypassing 2.11's checks) >4. Public airing of private squabbles (e.g. flames) >5. Test (and similar) articles from novice users >6. Articles with questions that have been asked zillions of times (and > answered) and could be dealt with in a single letter. >7. Signatures longer than articles (sometimes bypassing 2.11's checks) >8. Article skew (see above). [ This is curable with smart news-reading > software, but only if the whole discussion is read after it > completely arrives. ] > >These problems were once not problems at all; they were isolated incidents. >Now they're almost the norm, as a random sampling of nearly any group >quickly reveals...and they're getting worse, despite the best efforts >of some to alleviate them through (a) education and (b) software. > Usenet was originally conceived as a medium for the electronic publication of _articles_ (imagine an electronic newspaper or magazine). Because, this medium possesses the facility for feedback from its readers, discussion and announcement newsgroups also exist. It is my feeling that the difficulties that usenet is experiencing at this time are due to novice usenet users not being _required_ to learn the "rules" of this unique medium before they are being permitted post to it. These novice users fall into two _main_ categories: those who gain access solely by virtue of their being college students, and those who are familiar with BBSs and think that usenet is just an extension of that sort of mentality (which it is not). The average user that represents either of these groups has little desire to compose an article for publication, but would rather just react to what is published, or "test the waters" to see if s/he can stimulate a response to their posting. This is natural if they haven't been enlightened about what usenet is. The news reading programs are inadequate in prompting and prodding usenet posters into conforming with the premise of usenet. This is finally being addressed in current discussions of proposed updates to the news software. Default distributions for each newsgroup, the necessity to manually enter the newsgroups when crosposting a follow-up, questioning the poster whether an e-mail reply wouldn't be more appropriate than a follow-up article, as well as the necessity for more new material than quoted, and .signature conformance are examples of the type of prodding posters need. Personally, I would also like to see a mandatory one month probation period, for observing how usenet functions, enforced before novice users are allowed to post to the net. It would also be prudent to assure that potential usenet posters have indeed read the new-user articles which describe the proper etiquette by requiring them to pass a short electronic-quiz before the posting program becomes functional for them. Usenet is a unique medium. It isn't a Bullition Board. In order to see that it doesn't become one, it is mandatory that posters understand how it is different _before_ they are allowed to post to it, and that they be cajoled and prodded into respecting its etiquette. Many of the problems currently plaguing usenet are a result of the users not being adequately informed of what is expected of them. Larry Dighera -- USPS: The Consultants' Exchange, PO Box 12100, Santa Ana, CA 92712 TELE: (714) 842-6348: BBS (N81); (714) 842-5851: Xenix guest account (E71) UUCP: conexch Any ACU 2400 17148425851 "" "" ogin:-""-ogin:-""-ogin: nuucp UUCP: ...!uunet!turnkey!conexch!root || ...!trwrb!ucla-an!conexch!root