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From: kbc@mdbs.UUCP (Kevin Castleberry)
Newsgroups: comp.databases
Subject: Re: Whatza 4GL? (Was: SQL = 4GL)
Keywords: 4GL
Message-ID: <985@mdbs.UUCP>
Date: 3 Sep 88 19:23:10 GMT
References: <5829@ihlpf.ATT.COM> <5266@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <319@telly.UUCP>
Reply-To: kbc@mdbs.UUCP (Kevin Castleberry)
Organization: Micro Database Systems, Inc., Lafayette IN
Lines: 46
Cc: kbc@mdbs

In article <319@telly.UUCP> evan@telly.UUCP (Evan Leibovitch) writes:
>Try to program a 4GL to open, set and poll a dumb port attached to a barcode
>reader (without using a shell escape to stty), and see how far you get.
>
Knowledgeman integrates a communications programming language that should
have little problem implementing this.
I don't know if KnowldegMan should be classified as a 4GL or not, but it meets
the criteria of most of the definitions I have seen here.
...
>
>Your problems will go away when you stop calling these products languages,
>and start calling them what they are: applications development systems.
>Or call them Fred. Whatever. Let the marketplace concentrate on what these
>packages offer, not what they're called.

That's what we call KMAN, except we use the term environment instead of system.

>Maybe we should choose to use programming tools based on their merits, not
>their generation. Productivity always beats arguing.

That's what keeps me using KMAN and/or GURU.   For developing clean, friendly
applications that solve real world problems they are hard to beat.


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