Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cbmvax!daveh
From: daveh@cbmvax.UUCP (Dave Haynie)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Vaporware Everywhere
Message-ID: <4574@cbmvax.UUCP>
Date: 25 Aug 88 17:06:13 GMT
References: <2783@amiga.UUCP>
Organization: Commodore Technology, West Chester, PA
Lines: 63

in article <2783@amiga.UUCP>, jimm@amiga.UUCP (Jim Mackraz) says:

> You'd be surprised how many relics from C900 live on in the Amiga world
> today.  (No you guys, I didn't mean to call you relics.)  It rears its
> head not only in the case engineering, but in the A2024 monitor, and
> god knows what else.

> ) It also says that these 68020-based Amiga 2500 and 3000 machines will have
> ) a 40 MEG hard drive 3 MEGS of RAM, and will sell for around $6000.  And
> ) the operating systems will be: Amiga-DOS, AT&T System V Release  1, and
> ) MS-DOS, all using a proprietary windowing system.

The A2500 system is currently based around a machine with 5 megs of RAM and
a 100 meg drive.  Though it would probably run OK on the machine you
mentioned.  The UNIX is System V, Release 3.1, being done here at CBM by
some relics of the A800 project.  And that windowing system looks
amazingly like the C900 windowing system.

> I think the unix is being done by another relic.

Actually, a few of them.

> ) Lets just  see if  that is  true come  September.  I for one would
> ) really LIKE to see it but doubt that it will  come so  soon.  

September's probably a bit early for the software to be release, but all
the hardware necessary to make an A2000 into an A2500 should be released
in September.

> ) Commodore is still  working with  the operating  system(s).  If they 
> ) have time to work on  1.3, 1.4  (simultaneously), and  spit out  new 
> ) hardware, HEY!, MORE POWER  TO THEM!!   But  I hope  this is  not 
> ) another Commodore 900 story.

> I don't think it's another C900 story.  The A2500 is well known to be
> an A2000 with internal expansion and a unix port.  You've seen it at
> shows, it is larger than a breadbox.  

Also, there's a difference between "can't get it working" and "cancelled
by the administration".  The C900 did fall into this second category.
And we do have separate folks working on separate machines.  I do Amiga
hardware (along with a few others here), we also have separate groups working 
on PClones, UNIX software, and Amiga software.  There's cooperation between
the groups, and occasional crossovers, but it's not like Jim or Andy have
to stop working on 1.4 so they can go design a new chip set or anything
like that.

> Hopefully, software and hardware will continue to be two separate but 
> cooperating groups (probably will if we don't refer to the HW guys as 
> relics).

Hey, it wasn't just HW guys on the C900 project.  And I've been here
longer than the C900 guys.  You certainly don't think of me as a
relic, do you?  Jim? ....

> ) \ Sterling L. Brown........ \                 /  "When I'm Programming    /

> 	Jim Mackraz, I and I Computing	  
> 	amiga!jimm	BIX:jmackraz
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