Path: utzoo!utgpu!radio!me!yap
From: yap@mill.me.toronto.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: More John Dvorak comments
Message-ID: <9861.1988Sep6.15:40:23@mill.me.toronto.edu>
Date: 6 Sep 88 19:40:22 GMT
References: <18509@neabbs.UUCP> <24516@bu-cs.BU.EDU> <31930@clyde.ATT.COM> <6414@chinet.UUCP>
Reply-To: yap@mill.me.UUCP (Davin Yap)
Organization: University of Toronto Mechanical Engineering
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In article <6414@chinet.UUCP> ward@chinet.UUCP (Ward Christensen) writes:
>I just have to comment to Robert Snyder's #20140 in which he comments on
>John Dvorak's ignorance of DOS for saying that Unix(tm) machines need
>a user friendly shell, while DOS doesn't, then Robert's comment "What
>does he think Command.COM is".
>  I am a heavy DOS user, and casual Unix user, and I think "type" is
>easier to remember than "cat"; "dir" easier than "ls", or even "dir /w"
>than "lc".
	If you think that command.com provides a user freindly shell
	then I have to conclude that you are deluded or deranged.  Either
	that, or you are ignorant of what a real shell can do for you,
	helping to increase your productivity instead of just acting as
	a gateway to your application programs.  If you're so fervently
	attached to your dos commands simply include the following in
	your ".login",

	alias type 'cat'
	alias dir 'ls'

>  I like Unix.  I "appreciate it" for the environment it fulfills, but
>I really can't see 10 million PC users preferring the cryptic Unix
>commands to the more simple DOS commands.
	Speaking as one of those 10 million, I don't find unix any more
	cryptic than dos.  In fact, due to the man facility, unix should
	be much easier for new users to pick up.  Personally, the thought
	of working in the dos environment again makes me retch and grimace.

>  P.S. there's NOTHING wrong with cryptic - depending upon the USER - I
>use APL, and PMATE is my favorite editor AND PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE, in
>which [S;$@X=1^@X>31^-M9IQR0L] is a program to scan an assembly source
>program, and move any comment lines which aren't starting in column 1
>but which start left of column 32, over so the ';' is in column 32.
	Why should you have to go into an editor to do that?  Next time
	you're on a unix system type, "man sed".

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