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From: demasi@paisano.UUCP (Michael C. De Masi)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Big fun with 'vi' & I/O redirection
Keywords: vi stdin stdout layers windows
Message-ID: <520@paisano.UUCP>
Date: 31 Aug 88 18:12:33 GMT
Organization: AT&T Communications, Herndon Va.
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Hi Wizards!

This question is purely informational.  The other day I
got a little bored, so I started playing around with
redirecting I/O streams from various programs to different
windows on a 630MTG running layers.  Eventually, I figured
I'd try seeing how many windows I could get the same copy
of vi running across.  I did something to the effect of:

	(stty `cat vi.stty`;vi) < /dev/xt02 > /dev/xt03

while sitting in xt01.  (vi.stty is just the stty options
for vi)  This allowed me to type into window 2, while having
the output (which was completely correct) wind up in window
three while vi was technically running in window 1.  In
fact, the only thing which did appear in window one were
diagnostic messages, as I had not redirected the standard
error at this point.  So far, so good.

I then tried the same command, but with a slight variation:

	(stty `cat vi.stty`;vi) < /dev/xt02 > /dev/xt03 2>/dev/xt04

Which I believed would have the effect of doing everything
above with the only exception being the stderr would now go
to a fourth window.  It didn't work.  The window to which
the output of vi should go was no longer correct.  In fact,
it was all out of whack.  This is where I get lost.

Why should redirecting the stderr away from the window where
the stdout goes affect vi so seriously, or for that matter,
at all?  At first I thought that the stdout & stderr somehow
might combine to make the vi screen image, but that can't be
right because of the first example (plus it's a lousy idea)
That's what I _really_ find strange.  If redirecting the 
stderr to another window messes up vi, then why doesn't
redirecting the stdout?  Either way, you wind up with
the I/O streams directed to different places.  What's the
difference?

I then tried another variation.  I ran the second command
again, only replacing the 'vi' with 'ksh'.  This ran much
as I'd expected (I never knew prompts were diagnostic) so
I figured I'd try running vi in this environment.  Guess
what?  It failed, same way as in example 2.

Somehow, I feel the answer to this must be linked to one
of the great truths of the universe which I have somehow
failed to grasp.  Anybody care to enlighten me?

Awaiting your replies,

Michael C. De Masi - AT&T Communications (For whom I work and not speak)
2340 Dulles Corner Blvd.  Herndon, Virginia 22071   Phone: 703-834-8123
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