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From: fred@cdin-1.uucp (Fred Rump from work )
Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix
Subject: Re: End this flaming nonsense
Summary: Bugs, fixes, loads and compilers
Keywords: Xenix IPC compilers Unix
Message-ID: <7377@cdin-1.uucp>
Date: 1 Sep 88 17:54:49 GMT
References: <22012@neabbs.UUCP> <5786@rpp386.UUCP> <128@jetson.UPMA.MD.US> <1988Aug30.195807.11264@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu>
Organization: CompuData Inc., Philadelphia PA
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In article <1988Aug30.195807.11264@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu>, woods@gpu.utcs.toronto.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
[ In article <380@pigs.UUCP[ haugj@pigs.UUCP (Joe Bob Willie) writes:
[ >when the load average on my systems here at work get up over 15 or 20,
[ >we start counting the minutes until the machine crashes.  if i was planning
[ 
[ I agree.  Unfortunately, you often can't tell a user (ie: client) that.
[ They just won't believe you, (and if you think I hate Xenix :-( ...).
        If I had a user whose system constantly crashed and he still
        won't listen to my advice, I would not feel sorry for him.
        I would also not spend a great deal of time trying to fix things
        that wouldn't have happened if they'd have
        listened to me in the first place.
        Sort of makes this whole discussion mute, doesn't it?

[ I never said it was bug free.  What I was trying to get across was the
[ fact that the implementation of Xenix (in general) is considerably
[ buggier than lots of other "versions" of Unix.
        What is it three, four months before the name Xenix will dissappear?
        SCO and Microsoft have officially been notified that with 3.2 they'll
        be allowed to use the UNIX word. They will for the 386 world.
        We can then bitch about UNIX bugs together.

[ I've had lots of reports of known and sometimes fixed bugs in the AT&T
[ code.  Even (especially) in the IPC stuff.  However, let's not give the
[ impression that Unix is a buggy, old, monster.  It is probably better
[ than many other "systems" of similar size and complexity.  
        See above.
[ 
[ BTW:  Those SCO guy's got a bad reputation (at least with the people
[ I've talked to) when they delivered the 386 OS with utilities compiled
[ by the 286 compiler.  
        I don't know about reputation - but I do know about questioning
        stares. 

        While there are bugs in the Xenix c compiler and in Xenix in general,
        they affect developers only.  Most of these 'smart' users know how to
        get around these little buggers of life to produce a product they can
        sell that works, in an operating environment, that doesn't crash, that
        never loses data, and that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to support.

        I think that is the message here.
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