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From: stuart@ihlpe.ATT.COM (S. D. Ericson)
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: Re: Don't Bash Suns
Summary: Sun Sued CMS
Keywords: Bashing Good Companies vs Evil Companies
Message-ID: <3498@ihlpe.ATT.COM>
Date: 16 Sep 88 12:52:07 GMT
References: <358@island.uu.net> <626@mace.cc.purdue.edu> <4210@thorin.cs.unc.edu>
Organization: The Sage Hovel, Wheaton, Il
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In article <4210@thorin.cs.unc.edu>, davis@clocs.cs.unc.edu (Mark Davis) writes:
> Sorry for the gross cross posting, but I have no idea in which group
> the germain posting originated.  Note Followup-to.
> 
> In an article (Somebody) writes:
> > ... [some Sun Bashing ]
> 
> Come on Guys. You will bash anything.  But let's not bash the good
> guys without reason.

[Says that Suns are not too buggy, have good price/performance]

> So far Sun hasn't sued anybody.  (How many companies has Apple forced
> to cripple their product or sued out of the business? I have lost
> count.)
Wrong.  They just sued Custom Memory Systems - and PUT THEM OUT OF
BUSINESS.  They're just like any other company, protecting interests,
but they forced the repayment of the suit so that CMS had to cease
operations.
> 
[More about not bashing a company who has reasonable business ethics]
> 
> Thanks - Mark (davis@cs.unc.edu or decvax!mcnc!davis)
> Disclaimer - I am not nor have ever been an employee of Sun
> Microsystems, Incorporated.  I use and recommend their products, but I use
> and recommend a lot of other vendors products, too

Well, I use Suns everyday at work, and while they are *much* nicer
than terminals, the user interface is not as nice as the Mac.  In
our work we may need to use the Unix(r) operating system on the Suns, but
if it were my choice, it would be a Mac instead.

Many people seem to think that all machines with windows and a mouse
are pretty much the same.  WRONG - Only the Mac has the *Uniform 
Interface*, and only the mac puts priority on the user.  When I
ask for something on the Mac, I get a response visually - the
menus are instantaneous, programs and long operations signal their
activities by opening windows, putting up status bars, watch cursors,
etc.  

On the sun, I may have to wait 5-10 seconds some times for a
menu to pop up! After choosing a new shell window, NOTHING HAPPENS
IMMEDIATELY.  Often I think the machine lost my command and
re-issue it, only to find a whole slew of these windows popping
up on my screen.  I find it VERY disconcerting that the machine
can't at least give an indication of menu acceptance (after all,
sometimes the commands fail - I don't just want to wait around).

Sun should put more effort into their user interface.  After all,
the Mac, with a 68000, give much quicker User Interface response
than my Sun 3/110 with a 68020.

Not to mention, of course, that the software selections for a sun
aren't as diverse and wonderful as the Mac.  The mac stuff simply
has a better interface.

Phew!  Been wanting to say that for a long time. 

Note: Apple, Sun, Mac, 68000, 68020 are probably all trademarks
	and should be accorded their due respect.

      Unix (R) is a registered trademark of AT&T.
	(I had to say that! :-)

Stu
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