Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ames!nrl-cmf!ukma!gatech!mcnc!ecsvax!att!mhuxu!mls@ee.ecn.purdue.edu From: att!mhuxu!mls@ee.ecn.purdue.edu Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Submission for comp-society-women Message-ID: <5345@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: 15 Sep 88 17:58:13 GMT References: <5697@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> <5313@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Murray Hill Lines: 22 Approved: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu Just a further note supplementing this mention of Philip Kraft. He published an excellent study called _Programmers and Managers_ (I think the publisher was Addison-Wesley) about 8 to 10 years ago. It has a number of perspectives on the issue of "technical core" that inaugurated this newsgroup -- he points out the advantage to management of both the "rationalization" of jobs into low status clerical-type positions and the somewhat looser "social control" exercised in the Germanic engineering model -- pay a lot for someone fresh out of a technical school (fawn on them, even; make them see themselves as superior to anyone else -- it keeps them from noticing what's going on) and then after a few years, plateau them in a position where they are essentially stuck for 40 years until retirement. The realization that they are being exploited dawns so slowly that they never manage to think about opposing it until retirement is near and fighting the "benefit provider" is effectively impossible. By all means, let's hear some more about Kraft and his work! -- Michael L. Siemon contracted to AT&T Bell Laboratories att!mhuxu!mls standard disclaimer