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From: daves@hpcilzb.HP.COM (Dave Scroggins)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga
Subject: Re: Amiga in cinema (again)
Message-ID: <2030108@hpcilzb.HP.COM>
Date: 12 Sep 88 20:30:21 GMT
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Organization: HP Design Tech Center - Santa Clara, CA
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Jeeze -- I don't recall Leo getting this worked up about
anything!!!

BUT -- He is right on the money!!!

<<-------- lots of VERY VALID flames deleated ------>>>>

>
>	Why are you so damned silent?  The Mac was completely different from
>the Apple-][, yet Apple stood behind it 100%.  The Amiga was completely
                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It does seem to me that CBM does not really want to get the AMIGA in a 
position to be taken seriously. The sales facilities are marginal at best,
the sales pesonnel are (with few exeptions) incompetent, and I don't like
arguing the value of an AMIGA with some MAC user, when I have to buy 
SOMEONE ELSE's font set to get any printouts (Times Roman, Helvitia 
Olde English etc.) that look even close to professional quality.

(I understand that the MAC has good quality fancy fonts standard.)

>different from the C-64, and so you stood around scratching your collective
>heads saying, "Duh."  Apple placed their machines in highly visible places
>in stores, and trained the salespeople to know what the machine was and what
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

HEAVY EMPHASIS ON "TRAINED THE SALESPEOPLE"!!!!

I have personally seen several potential sales of AMIGA computers lost due
to uninterested and untrained sales people. Some of the people that I've
seen that are "suppoed" to be selling AMIGA computers I would even let
run a paper route!!!!!!!

>to show off.  Commodore delivered the systems to stores late, and just
>dropped them in their laps without so much as a demo disk (Not all dealers
>had the WorkBench 1.0 demo disk.  My local dealer got his copy from *me*.).

>	Sometimes I just don't know why I bother anymore.

This is scary!!! When people like this (others too not just Leo) start having
doubts it's REALLY time to get with it!!!!!!!!!

I still see no reason why CBM can't take the AMIGA and REALLY give the Apple
folks a run for their money, and still keep the machine affordable.
(Some MAC users I know say that the MAC has an order of magnitude mark up
on the price over the manufacture cost. It costs something under $300.00 
to make, and sells for close to $3000.00 (MAC-II))

And Leo -- Hang in there -- maybe CBM will get it together soon. Besides,
LOT's of people like the things you do.!!

Dave (Come on CBM -- read the writing on the wall!!) S.