Xref: utzoo comp.unix.xenix:3504 comp.unix.questions:9533 comp.unix.microport:1705 alt.sources:268 Path: utzoo!hoptoad!amdcad!apple!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!cornell!rochester!ritcv!cci632!ccicpg!turnkey!sandy From: sandy@turnkey.TCC.COM (Sanford 'Sandy' Zelkovitz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.xenix,comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.microport,alt.sources Subject: Re: flames are on! Summary: read the bulletins! Keywords: flames Message-ID: <1948@turnkey.TCC.COM> Date: 2 Oct 88 23:45:26 GMT References: <1930@turnkey.TCC.COM> <440@l5comp.UUCP> Organization: Turnkey Computer Consultants, Costa Mesa, Ca. Lines: 82 In article <440@l5comp.UUCP>, scotty@l5comp.UUCP (Scott Turner) writes: > [Those interested in downloading TeX from Sandy's BBS may wish to skip > my counterflames and read the section of this article which describes > how long and how much it will cost to download TeX from Sandy's BBS] > > In article <1930@turnkey.TCC.COM> sandy@turnkey.TCC.COM (Sanford 'Sandy' Zelkovitz) writes: > [ rest left out] > Scott Turner > scotty@l5comp -or- uunet!l5comp!scotty If users of my BBS would read the bulletins that are available and NOT go immediately to the file section, they would know why and how to get the larger files with only ONE call! As explained in one of the bulletins, there is no limit ( either time or byte count ) when files are requested using uucp. Also, I go to lengths describing how to determine the exact path name(s) of the files. You have gone in length describing the cost calling the system. You did forget, however, that my system is available through PC Pursuit. Unlike uunet, I do not charge for usage! Also, unlike uunet, I have to restrict time (only through the bbs) so that others can also get on the system. If I were charging for usage time, obviously, I would NOT break up the files and force you to stay on for many hours. You see, I am a believer of one person helping another. If you don't believe the same, then you should find needed code elsewhere. Scott, you went to extremes describing how much it would cost making the calls, you neglected to describe how much you would have to pay uunet for the connect time. Where do you think I get the files? As you can tell, many come directly from the net; however, many others come from other sources and they, believe me, aren't free. Tapes have to be purchased and telephone calls have to be paid for. I have NEVER asked for a dime in return! All I have ever asked, as you know when you "download a file", is some usable file in return so that others can also benefit. I will repeat, so that others can benefit, not me! You see, I truely believe in the free software concept. That is why I have donated many programs to the public. Scott, you also mentioned about your posting(s) on how you can get me code from uunet. I have been trying to remember a single one. Honestly, if you did, I do not remember. I am sorry that my system "cut you off" during the uucp transfers. That one, you can blame "Ma Bell" since I do not cut off the transmissions. I will cut off users ( the software will ) when they log into the bbs, once their time has been used up, but not during a file transfer. You mentioned about using a Trailblazer so that files can be transferred at a higher rate. Sure, I would love to have one; however, that too costs money. Again. if I were charging you for the usage, it would be easy to justify. Presently, all I can do is use three inexpensive US Robotics 2400 baud modems and one old Hayes 1200. You also went into length about the speed of uucp transfers. Well, I am running HDB uucp with a master selected protocol. Since you select the protocol, as the master when you call in, I can't run any faster! I constantly get requests for files to be sent on floppy disks or on 60 meg streaming tape. If I had the time to do it, I would. Unfortunately, to fill all of the requests would take all of my time! Normally, I do not return messages when such a request is made. I just don't have the time to do it. If I sound redundant, I am sorry; however, the 500K limit, through the BBS, is more than generous. If you call other bbs systems, you will find much lower limits. You didn't like the extra 200K uploads as my example, I am sorry; however, that is one of my main sources for new shareable code. It saves me the telephone costs of trying to locate new code for others to download. Sure, I have a GREAT selection of files for downloading. I guess my madness must work! If I get upset when I read such inflamatory remarks about my efforts to help others, I am sure you can understand. Believe me, I am reaching the end of the rope. I have been thinking about two possible alternatives: 1) Just turn the !@#$#%^% system off! 2) Start charging for usage! Neither is acceptable to me; however, it may just be the only answer. Sanford Zelkovitz XBBS 714-898-8634