Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!hubcap.UUCP!steve From: steve@hubcap.UUCP ("Steve" Stevenson) Newsgroups: comp.ai.digest Subject: Re: state and change/continuous actions Message-ID: <3052@hubcap.UUCP> Date: 26 Sep 88 12:18:24 GMT References: <19880926060100.2.NICK@INTERLAKEN.LCS.MIT.EDU> Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Organization: Clemson University, Clemson, SC Lines: 27 Approved: ailist@ai.ai.mit.edu From a previous article, by smryan@garth.UUCP (Steven Ryan): > > Continuous systems are computably using calculus, but is this `effective > computation?' Calculus uses a number of existent theorems which prove some > point or set exists, but provide no method to effectively compute the value. Clearly numerical analysis emulates continuous systems. In the phil of math, this is, of course, an issue. For those denying reals but allowing the actual infinity of integers, NA is as good as the Tm. Not only are there existence theorems for point sets, but such theorems as the Peano Kernel Theorem are effective computations. At the point set level, one uses things called ``simple functions''. BTW, you're being too restrictive. There are many ``continuous'' systems which have a denumerable number of points of nondifferentiablity: there are several ways to handle this (e.g., measure theory). These are not ``calculus'' in the usual sense. Important applications are in diffusion and probability. So, is Riemann-Stiltjes the only true calculus? Nah. There's one per view. -- Steve (really "D. E.") Stevenson steve@hubcap.clemson.edu Department of Computer Science, (803)656-5880.mabell Clemson University, Clemson, SC 29634-1906