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From: jim@b-mrda.UUCP (Jim Sadler)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: TCP-IP libraries for Macs and ATs
Message-ID: <2370003@b-mrda.UUCP>
Date: 8 Oct 88 04:00:36 GMT
References: <5516@hoptoad.uucp>
Organization: Boeing Commercial Airplane Co. Manufacturing R & D
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/ b-mrda:comp.protocols.tcp-ip / tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) / 11:48 am  Oct  3, 1988 /
>In article <1300@gazette.bcm.tmc.edu> sob@watson.bcm.tmc.edu (Stan Barber)
>writes:
>>Apple announced MacTCP this week at Interop 88. It is supposedly based
>>on the NCSA kernel and not the UMich stuff (or something link that).
>
>That makes four attributions of the source so far: UofM, Apple, NCSA, and
>Ungermann-Bass.  My money is now riding on the last one.  But who knows?

As I understand it UB has only developed the telnet and ftp "applications"
Apple did the development of the driver.

>
>>It is NOT an end-user package but for developers only. Stanford-IP has been
>>modified to fit as has NCSA Telnet. UB has the first product out on it.
>
>How nice.  In their usual TOPS-bashing, Apple didn't bother to make us aware
>of it when I was there.  I always get a kick out of it when Apple talks about
>their wonderful support of third-party developers.

Apple has a bad habit of not informing the people/companies that it should.
Unless of course you know someone who works in the labs.

>
>>Kinetics has also release a similiar product called TCPport. TOPS has not
>>released anything like this, period. 
>>Do you know if TOPS will, Tim?
>
>Probably not; the TOPS developer program is a joke.  I have two fine pieces of
>software, InterBase and TOPS TCP/IP, which would be perfect for it, but no
>one has ever licensed them because the marketing boys at TOPS don't think
>beta testing or the developer program are worth a full-time employee.  Grumble
>grr hiss boo.  But TOPS TCP/IP stabilized last year, and had the last known
>bug removed in the spring; it ought to be available now.  Maybe you could get
>it if you asked.

I have beta tested TOPS since days of when it had a rose icon.  I have seen 
at least 4 people in the job as beta/developer coordinator.  Something is not
right.  As far as developer programs forget it.  I tried for months to get the 
interfaces to TOPS.  I finally ended up with some Aztec C examples that had 
inline assembly code.  I've been testing Tops Terminal for I don't know how
long.  It's a nice product, I wonder what it's status is ?

>
>What was that I said earlier about not wanting to appear mean-spirited toward
>my former employer?  Oh well....
>-- 
>Tim Maroney, Consultant, Eclectic Software, sun!hoptoad!tim
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