Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ncrlnk!ncrcae!ece-csc!ncsuvx!gatech!bloom-beacon!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!purdue!decwrl!ucbvax!MCNC.ORG!ravi From: ravi@MCNC.ORG (Ravi Subrahmanyan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Bounced messages: groups of 10 Message-ID: <8809292012.AA03196@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: 29 Sep 88 20:12:34 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 555 From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 21:23:26 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA14805; Sat, 24 Sep 88 21:23:26 EDT Message-Id: <8809250123.AA14805@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 18:21:54-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 17:52:42 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 17:52:47-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA16083; Wed, 21 Sep 88 15:21:09 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 20 Sep 88 16:32:08 GMT From: hp-sde!hpcea!hpnmdla!glenne@hplabs.hp.com (Glenn Elmore) Organization: HP Network Measurements Div, Santa Rosa, CA Subject: Re: Help with recieving satellite pictures!!! Message-Id: <810005@hpnmdla.HP.COM> References: <880914013141.700922@PCO-MULTICS.HBI.HONEYWELL.COM> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Try the amateur radio magazine "QST" about two or three years ago. They had an article or two on demodulating and decoding some satellites for display on computers, I can't remember if it was Atari 8 bit or PCs... maybe both. If you really meant 'weather radar' I don't know where to get info (like the weather radar that the Weather Channel displays) but if you want visible light or IR photographs I believe there is still stuff going on at 130-140 MHz and certainly around 1.6 GHz where the GOES satellites transmit. There is also WEFAX hardware available, again in amateur radio circles, which will dump directly to a printer from data presently transmitted by wire services and others. Try Advanced Electronic Applications P. O. Box C-2160 Lynnwood, WA 98036 (206) 775-7373 I built a system for copying ESSA and NIMBUS sattellites in the early 70's but I don't think they are running anymore, though the same modulation techniques are probably in use (NBFM with 2400 HZ subcarrier modulated to provide synch and luminance info, 200? lines/min 800? lines/frame.) Glenn Elmore -N6GN- N6GN @ N6IIU-1 glenn@n6gn.norcal.ampr glenne@hpnmd.hp.com ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 21:23:38 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA14812; Sat, 24 Sep 88 21:23:38 EDT Message-Id: <8809250123.AA14812@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 18:21:55-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 18:06:23 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 18:06:27-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA16550; Wed, 21 Sep 88 15:50:25 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 09:22:34 GMT From: mcvax!nikhefh!t68@uunet.uu.net (Jos Vermaseren) Organization: Nikhef-H, Amsterdam (the Netherlands). Subject: Re: Wait a Sec... (was Re: Atari fair at Duesseldorf (West Germany)) Message-Id: <539@nikhefh.hep.nl> References: <5618@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>, <5440005@hplsla.HP.COM>, <472NETOPRHM@NCSUVM> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu All this talk about a dying computer is clearly by people who are either 1: unfamiliar with the European scene 2: unfriendly to the ST (have an axe to grind). In Europe the ST is selling very well. Maybe a part of the American problem (if it exists) is that a much larger percentage of systems sold in the US is a color system than in Europe. The color systems are not really very suitable to work with (in the eyes of all the people that I know who have an Atari). This leaves the color systems as either a special purpose system, or a games machine. If the dying approach concerns those applications I'll not say very much. The monochrome systems that I see in use every day are very powerful mini computers. In the shops they sell very well. Maybe the good software never made it to the US. A sign that indicates this is that even turbo-c for the ST was developed in Germany, not by Borland-US. This leaves the question: why is the American preference for color so much greater than in Europe? I posed this question a long time ago, but nobody could come up with an explanation. Anybody has one? Jos Vermaseren ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 21:55:17 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA14880; Sat, 24 Sep 88 21:55:17 EDT Message-Id: <8809250155.AA14880@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 18:51:53-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 18:27:37 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 18:27:42-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA17325; Wed, 21 Sep 88 16:41:30 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 22:34:39 GMT From: agate!e260-4f.berkeley.edu!c60a-1bq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (nunnayourbiznezz) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: Re: Publishing Partner Amateur Message-Id: <14589@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> References: <2992@dalcs.UUCP>, <11830008@hpldola.HP.COM> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <11830008@hpldola.HP.COM> ritchie@hpldola.HP.COM (Dave Ritchie) writes: > > I was looking through one of the Amiga rags he other day and - surprise - >Soft Logik is doing a PP for the Amiga. Isn't that strange? > > Dave Yes and no. It's not strange that a company is porting it's (good) product over to another machine. What is strange is that they didn't do this sooner. They would have their foot in the door, as the Amiga has good draw programs, but few solid DTP programs (esp. at PP's price). John Kawakami Please send replies to c91a-ra@franny instead of this address (where this originates from). ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 21:55:31 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA14885; Sat, 24 Sep 88 21:55:31 EDT Message-Id: <8809250155.AA14885@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 18:51:54-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 18:32:32 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 18:32:34-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA17450; Wed, 21 Sep 88 16:47:55 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 22:37:14 GMT From: agate!e260-4f.berkeley.edu!c60a-1bq@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (nunnayourbiznezz) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: Re: TeX Driver for Atari Laserprinter Message-Id: <14590@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> References: <8809211344.AA07895@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <8809211344.AA07895@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> ABK07@DK0RRZK0.BITNET writes: >Does anyone have the source of a TeX Driver for the Atari Laserprinter? >If yes, please post it to me. >Axel Clauberg >Institut fuer Kernphysik der Uni Koeln >Zuelpicher Str. 77 >D 5000 Koeln 41 >West - germany >Bitnet: ABK07@DK0RRZK0 Does anyone have a list of servers that maintain TeX things. I also need to get a TeX driver for my Pana. 1091i (epson compat). John Kawakami please reply to c91a-ra@franny.berkeley.edu ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 23:27:03 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA15237; Sat, 24 Sep 88 23:27:03 EDT Message-Id: <8809250327.AA15237@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 20:21:51-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 19:58:12 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 19:58:13-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA17752; Wed, 21 Sep 88 17:04:12 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 22:28:47 GMT From: mailrus!um-math!hyc@rutgers.edu (Howard Chu) Organization: University of Michigan Math Dept., Ann Arbor Subject: Re: Problems with gcc.arc's: Newer version of arc? Message-Id: <414@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu> References: <8809211050.AA00106@jade.berkeley.edu> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <8809211050.AA00106@jade.berkeley.edu> VCD51661@DS0RUS54.BITNET writes: >Recently I tried to dearchive the file gcx123.arc, belonging to >the GNU-C compiler postings. I got the following message from my >arc.ttp: >"I don't know how to handle file COPYING in archive GCX123.ARC > I think you need a newer version of ARC." >The same thing happened with all the other archieves belonging to >the GNU-C postings I got. The first thing I tried was downloading Correct, it appears that all the GCC related ARC files were compressed using Squashing instead of Crunching. >a newer version of arc from LISTSERV at CANADA01 (BITNET, as I am >a BITNET user). The file I ordered and received was >PROG-A16 88-00152, described as "ARC.TTP ... (Repost)". It identi- >fies itself as (stuff deleted): > >" System Enhancement Associates > 21 New Street, Wayne NJ 07470 > > ARC - Archive utility, 5.12 - Atari ST > > Atari ST version developed by Harvey Johnson " There has been one major new version for the ST since 5.12 - 5.21, with modifications to support Squashing. (developed by lil' ol' me.... }-) If the person in charge of the CANAD01 LISTSERV would send me a message, I'll ship 'em off a copy of the latest ARC. I can also be reached directly on bitnet as HYC@UMICHUM -- / /_ , ,_. Howard Chu / /(_/(__ University of Michigan / Computing Center College of LS&A ' Unix Project Information Systems ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 23:27:21 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA15242; Sat, 24 Sep 88 23:27:21 EDT Message-Id: <8809250327.AA15242@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 20:21:52-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 20:15:25 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 20:15:33-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA18033; Wed, 21 Sep 88 17:21:33 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 19:19:29 GMT From: pacbell!sactoh0!ejnihill@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Eric J. Nihill) Organization: Sacramento Public Access UNIX, Ca. USA Subject: NETNEWS interface Message-Id: <428@sactoh0.UUCP> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Humble apoligies if this has already been covered for I do not normally access this fine newsgroup. Does anyone know of a Public Domain program that will allow users of an Atari ST to access a USENET site and receive mail, send mail and NETNEWS? The program should be simple enough for most to install, and be able to run uucico. A ideas? I am sure with this wealth of knowledge here on the net, someone may be able to help. It seems a shame that the atari BBS are going to IBM's so that they can participate in mail and a news feed. Please respond via E-Mail. I do not get normal access to this group. This site has sent in their uucp map entry, but it has not yet been posted to the net. So use the following return mail path: ...pacbell!sactoh0!ejnihill In advance, Thank-you for your time & help; Eric -- ################################################################# # Sign In Triplicate before # Serving The State Capitol Of # # Discarding:________________ # California: sactoh0 # ################################################################# ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 23:56:42 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA15306; Sat, 24 Sep 88 23:56:42 EDT Message-Id: <8809250356.AA15306@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 20:51:49-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 20:26:30 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 20:26:34-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA18377; Wed, 21 Sep 88 17:45:30 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 23:17:10 GMT From: agate!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!franny.Berkeley.EDU!c91a-ra@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (reader.john.kawakami) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Subject: moria troubles /// pascal info sought Message-Id: <5864@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu This is a two parter: I thought i had moria done all right, but no -- it won't run. It loads up, then instantly dies with two bombs, then back to the desktop. It de-arced ok here (where i got moria), but did not work. It de-arced fine at home (on the ST), but did not work. Both times, I ran it from the desktop as .TOS and .TTP (which can't work as .TTP uppercases all text). So I figure, I'll write a prog to call moria (and maybe add options features later), but that did not work. Back to the docs. Seems I have to set env vars. Well, I was pretty sure that was not the problem, but I whipped out 68000 ST Ref (by Peel), and looked up the AES calls. Why? Because I have Personal Pascal, which does not have a built in AES library. Then set up the AES calls (C-strings etc.) complied and ran the prog. Again, this did not work. What is going on. Should I go back over my prog caller and make sure the command tail is ok? Should this work under the desktop? In any case, moria does not work for me :-{ Which brings me to my second:AND MORE IMPORTANT QUESTION I use OSS personal pascal. i have no C compiler. 1) has anyone used Tackle box ST? Is it any good. 2) where can I find info on how to make flawless calls to OS routines from PP. Right now, I'm winging it, mimicking the examples from OSS and using the Peel book (which is very good). 3) should I just get C? Is the level of programming I want to do easier in C? 3a) Does MWC come with the Atari Devpack? (In other words, should i get just MWC, or pay the extra $100+ for developer support?) 4) what is a good assembler? Are there any object-file converters in case the objects are not compatible? 5) in general, what are some of the best tools out there (just kidding, don't answer this one). TTL CCD MUX RKL A3I MTX MDC FOE TUS KFC JTK MMU CRT VDI PSA DRI GEM CPM MC5 OIV JOH NKA WAK AMI c91 a-r a@f ran ny. Ber kel ey. Edu kaw aka mi@ zen .Be kel ey. EDU WHA TTH EFU CKA REY OUL OOK ING AT, MAN ?HA HAH A.O RIS THE JOK EON ME? ??? ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sat Sep 24 23:56:58 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA15311; Sat, 24 Sep 88 23:56:58 EDT Message-Id: <8809250356.AA15311@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 20:51:50-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 20:45:46 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 20:45:50-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA19875; Wed, 21 Sep 88 19:23:27 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 20:50:03 GMT From: mcvax!hp4nl!nikhefk!paulm@uunet.uu.net (Paul Molenaar) Organization: Personal Computer Magazine, Holland Host: NIKHEFK Subject: Re: Writing to write protected disks? Message-Id: <420@nikhefk.UUCP> References: <614@ethz.UUCP>, <1633@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu In article <1633@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> whitbye@cs.glasgow.ac.uk (Elliot Maxwell Whitby) writes: # #Yes it is unfortunately possible to write to write protected disks. #This is a great idea for software protection, which I personally don't #believe in, but you do get the unscrupulous people who are that bad that #they will ruin everybody else's fun by writing pointless viusses which are #no use to absolutely anyonee # #ps Borf is here. C'mon... be more specific. Show me a program that writes to a writeprotected disk. We did extensive tests on programs that claimed such activity and always came to the conclusion that all of these rumours are bogwosh. The hardware specs of Atari drives/diskcontroller are pretty much standard and I've never (I mean NEVER) seen a modern diskdrive that wasn't completely capable of recognizing writeprotection. Gimme more than "Yes it is possible.." Paul Molenaar "Just checking the walls" - Basil Fawlty - -- Paul Molenaar "Just checking the walls" - Basil Fawlty - ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sun Sep 25 02:22:18 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA16546; Sun, 25 Sep 88 02:22:18 EDT Message-Id: <8809250622.AA16546@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 23:21:46-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 22:54:48 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 22:54:53-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA21142; Wed, 21 Sep 88 20:41:20 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 21 Sep 88 18:46:07 GMT From: super!lerici@uunet.uu.net (Peter W. Brewer) Organization: Supercomputing Res. Cntr., Lanham, Maryland Subject: atari hard disk for sale Message-Id: <761@super.ORG> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu FOR SALE: A slightly used Atari hard disk and cable (I have not had an ST for quite a while) .. It has software loaded on it. Also I have a large horde of software I would like to sell A partial list follows... The following is a list of miscellaneous atari software/hardware I currently possess. Beckemeyer MT C-Shell MICRO C-SHELL MICRO RTX MICRO MAKE MICRO C-TOOLS MegaMax C-compiler Utilities Atari Developer's system linker compiler rcs utilities BASIC Atari 20 MB ST hardware disk I will try to put together some very reasonable prices upon request. Peter Brewer lerici@super.org -- Peter Brewer |_____________| THE lerici@super.org |___|____|/ SUPERCOMPUTING |__ |__ |_/ RESEARCH |___|__ /_| CENTER ------- From Mailer@Score.Stanford.EDU Sun Sep 25 02:22:33 1988 Received: from Score.Stanford.EDU by speedy.mcnc.org (5.59/MCNC/5-16-88) id AA16551; Sun, 25 Sep 88 02:22:33 EDT Message-Id: <8809250622.AA16551@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: Sat 24 Sep 88 23:21:46-PDT From: The Mailer Daemon To: info-atari16-request@Score.Stanford.EDU Subject: Message of 21-Sep-88 23:19:10 Status: R Message undeliverable and dequeued after 3 days: *PS:ATARI16.INCOMING@Score.Stanford.EDU.#Internet: Disk quota exceeded ------------ Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by SCORE.STANFORD.EDU with TCP; Wed 21 Sep 88 23:19:13-PDT Received: by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.59/1.31) id AA22445; Wed, 21 Sep 88 22:03:05 PDT Received: from USENET by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU with netnews for atari16-programs@score.stanford.edu (info-atari16@score.stanford.edu) (contact usenet@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU if you have questions) Date: 22 Sep 88 02:20:00 GMT From: pwp@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University CSCI, Bloomington Subject: Re: moria troubles /// pascal info soug Message-Id: <36500055@iuvax> References: <5864@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> Sender: info-atari16-request@score.stanford.edu To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I have used tackle box a little and it seems ok. The documentation seems somewhat better than that in the Abacus books or the developer kit, but I have not check things carefully. -------