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From: dana@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Dana Laursen)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: HP WIDGETS AVAILABLE NOW
Message-ID: <100920011@hpcvlx.HP.COM>
Date: 30 Sep 88 21:58:42 GMT
References: <100920007@hpcvlx.HP.COM>
Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
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	Here is a followup on the responses to my original posting.
	My comments follow excerpts from the responses.


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From: davem@gonzo.ETound the world, using telegraphy, voice,
teleprinting, television, and facsimile.  They can use any of 21 different
frequency bands.  Some hams design and build their own equipment or 
experiment with ways to refine radio transmissions.  Generally, amateur radio
is considered a hobby; specifically, the Amateur Radio Service is a
voluntary, disciplined communications service guided by five traditional
objectives:

	1) To provide emergency or public service communications when normal
	communications are disrupted;
	
	2) to advance the state of the radio art;
	
	3) to improve individual skills in radio operation;
	
	4) to provide a reserve pool of qualified radio operators and 
	technicians; and
	
	5) to promote international goodwill.


	Incidentally, an application of the first principle is the Radio
Amateur Civil Emergency Service (3 Sep 1988 15:11:00 GMT

Has anyone been able to get it to work on *their* Sun?  When making
in the test directory on my 3/50 running 4.0 I get:
ld: Undefined symbol...

	The tests in the beta release were put in at the last minute,
	and not fully tested on other platforms.  We were able to build
	everything in the current release on our Sun 3/260.
	Please send details if you are still having difficulties.

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From: jkh@pcsbst.UUCP (Jordan K. Hubbard)
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1988 16:54:00 GMT

... the pulldown menus have been removed with
a dull instrument, leaving several references still around that will bomb
until you remove them.

	Pulldown menus were removed from the non-proprietary release
	of HP X Widgets due to legal ramifications of the unresolved 
	HP/MicroSoft/Apple litigations.  There were bogus includes for
	Pulldown.h and a couple other files in some of the test programs
	in the beta release.  This problem has been corrected.
	
The applications I did get to compile are rather
uh.. interesting. Upon being initially brought up (with or without a window
manager running), their windows begin resizing rapidly as the various
widgets duke it out for space. Geometry management is very strange, to say
the least. Widgets also tend to highlight at odd times...

	These "applications" are actually test programs generated to
	verify specific aspects of geometry management, highlighting
	and so forth.

... I'd be interested in how many changes are planned [by HP] between now and
the official R3 release. Anyone from HP listening who cares to comment?

	The current distribution, which is also the official R3 release,
	includes many bugfixes that were not in the beta release, and
	corrects other problems noted above.
		
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	We appreciate your comments, suggestions, questions, and feedback
	about problems with HP X Widgets code and documentation.
	
	You can communicate with us directly by sending mail to:

		widgets%hpcvlx@hplabs.hp.com


	Dana Laursen
	
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From: harry@hpcvlx.HP.COM (Harry Phinney)
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles
Subject: Re: Bike race to be held with Del Mar IMSA race
Message-ID: <102180017@hpcvlx.HP.COM>
Date: 30 Sep 88 21:10:35 GMT
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Organization: Hewlett-Packard Co., Corvallis, OR, USA
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>    There are lots of good race tracks around - I've often wondered why
> they don't run bicycle races on them.
> Thomas A. Fine

"They" do sometimes run bicycle races on motor racing tracks.  There is
a weekly Tuesday-night race at Portland International Raceway, and I 
remember a couple of races (including some of the classes at nationals
I think) being run at Seattle I.R.  These do provide very good bicycle 
racing courses with nearly perfect traffic control.

Harry Phinney
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