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From: loci@killer.DALLAS.TX.US (loci!clb)
Newsgroups: news.admin
Subject: Re: Why is net noise tolerated?
Summary: net.censorship
Message-ID: <5718@killer.DALLAS.TX.US>
Date: 4 Oct 88 18:29:29 GMT
References: <285@sulaco.UUCP> <5651@killer.DALLAS.TX.US> <297@sulaco.UUCP>
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	Just when did news.admin become annexed to alt.flame?
	Allen, et al; In regard to your absurd accusations and wimpy
	innuendo, I've got this to say: put up or shut up.  If you
	think you have a tale to tell then tell it. Three times you've
	tried to make something out of nothing, so get specific or blow away.  

	I was somewhat amused by your attempt to make a 286 running
	xenix sound like a real computer while calling my 68010 with
	real sysV Unix a toy. Very cute. It so happens that my 7300
	will do things your clone won't and I've upgraded the machine
	three times since it was new. In fact, there's an interesting
	coincidence there which I'll tell you about some time.

	The real point of your posting is net.censorship, isn't it?
	You meticulously avoided addressing issues and tried to change
	the subject with mud-slinging. But the e-mail that each of you
	sent saying "shutup or we're going to tell tales" is a blatant
	attempt to suppress ideas that you can't deal with directly.
	Oh yes, I know that you claim to be staunch free-speech 
	defenders but what you really mean is that you want to be free
	to say whatever you want, but not anyone who critisizes what
	you do with that freedom. Your actions belie all the boistrous
	rhetoric and show you to be completely intolerant of the
	rights of others. That point is further emphasized by the
	fact that you never address these questions directly, but
	rather you resort to all manner of subversion and abuse of
	others to drive them away. You guys fear the truth like Dracula
	fears the light of sunrise.

	Why don't you get civil and state your case directly and
	on a mature level? The entire net is bored with your tirades
	and most people haven't got the time to wade through all
	your drivel so, if you've got a point to make, make it.
	I don't think you do. I think you know that what you do is
	wrong and you won't defend it because you can't. And I'm
	not impressed with your argument that the end justifies the
	means, that because you claim to make some contribution to
	net connectivity that you've earned a right to generate
	volumes of noise. In any tree structure there are lots more
	leaf nodes than branches and the point of the branches is
	to serve the leaf nodes, to connect them together and to 
	provide reliable communications to them. Such "liddy" practices
	as deliberately interfering with e-mail through your systems
	and manipulating the flow of news to your own end do a
	dis-service to the net as a whole.

	If you look at the numbers, you'll see that Usenet is about
	readers, about a quarter of a million of them. Each of them
	has their own reason for being on Usenet and the vast majority
	of them can benefit without causing any harm to anyone else.
	It is only the few who try to improve their low self-esteem
	by dragging others down to their level that detract from
	what is otherwise a successful experiment in communications.
	Think about it: what are your motives? Are you here to help
	make Usenet better or are you only interested in your own
	selfish games? After you've thought about it, state your case
	in a professional manner and let us all see whether you know
	what you're doing for/to the net.


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