Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!mit-eddie!rutgers!bellcore!faline!thumper!karn From: karn@thumper.bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn) Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle Subject: Re: gratuitous anthrophobia (was Re: Shuttle computer reprogramming) Message-ID: <1348@thumper.bellcore.com> Date: 10 Oct 88 13:33:35 GMT References: <6689@nsc.nsc.com> <6980@ihlpl.ATT.COM> <1938@kalliope.rice.edu> <1988Oct8.234146.11950@utzoo.uucp> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Inc Lines: 30 Oh, come on Henry, I'm right and you know it. :-) Just see my previous postings regarding Microsat for evidence of what you can do for very little money when you don't have human lives riding on it. Even in the unmanned arena, AMSAT has made significant contributions to spacecraft technology, usually because we were forced to by the cost of the existing solutions. For example, the command system on Oscar-13, although it may be over a decade old in design, is much more sophisticated than the corresponding system in most existing geostationary communications satellites. (I understand they still use audio tones from the ground to fire their motors.) Also take a look at our Phase 4 (geostationary) design. A three-axis spacecraft that looks like a spinner (no despun bearing or steered solar arrays, too expensive). An attitude control system based on fluid momentum loops (constant use of thrusters is too expensive). An attitude sensor system likely based on radio interferometry (conventional optical sensors are too expensive). Extremely high efficiency linear RF amplifiers (extra solar arrays are too expensive). And so on. Necessity is often the mother of invention in AMSAT, and more often than not, the necessity comes from the lack of funds to do things the "standard" way. But if you combine relatively lavish funding with a "you cannot fail, human lives and lots of money are on the line" directive, then you get extremely conservative, and your rate of technological development slows to a crawl. The perception of the space shuttle as the ultimate symbol of American high technology is a master stroke of NASA public relations; a close look at subsystems like the onboard computers reveals just how out-of-date much of its technology (necessarily) is. Phil