Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!watdcsu!smann From: smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Shannon Mann - I.S.er) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Intelligence / Consciousness Test for Machines (Neural-Nets)??? Summary: Then again, who am I? Message-ID: <5176@watdcsu.waterloo.edu> Date: 19 Oct 88 08:35:29 GMT References: <1141@usfvax2.EDU> <874@taurus.BITNET> <734@wsccs.UUCP> Reply-To: smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Shannon Mann - I.S.er) Distribution: na Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 94 In article <734@wsccs.UUCP> dharvey@wsccs.UUCP (David Harvey) writes: >If you claim that you are a conscious entity, but that I am not (your >view of the world), and that I am a conscious entity but that you are not >(my view of the world), then I can only assume that you are talking >about self awareness. But is this what determines whether something is >a conscious entity or not? If I am not mistaken, your view is that for >anything to be a conscious entity, it must have self awareness, and only >it can determine whether it is a conscious entity. Please correct me if >I misinterpreted you. But then why in the world am I writing this >article in response? After all, I have no guarantee that you are a >conscious entity or not. But for some reason, I have this persistent >but unverifiable belief that you are a conscious entity. Otherwise, >why would I write? Yes, but consider that the _other_ conscious entity may only be another part of yourself (in the sense of multiple personalities.) You may be unaware that each separate entity is actually the same entity. > In other words, we have a sticky problem that may >or may not have a solution. Yes, Bertrand Russell is someone who had >a neat idea with the proposal of a third indeterminate state. In other >words, I prefer to consider this type of question the mystery it should >be categorized as. > >dharvey@wsccs -=- -=- Shannon Mann -=- smann@watdcsu.UWaterloo.ca -=- 'I have no brain, and I must think...' - An Omynous 'If I don't think, AM I' - Another Omynous P.S. I am unaware of Russell's postulate re: a third indeterminate state. Could you give me some references? Thanks in advance. Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Intelligence / Consciousness Test for Machines (Neural-Nets)??? Summary: Then again, who am I? Expires: References: <1141@usfvax2.EDU> <874@taurus.BITNET> <734@wsccs.UUCP> Sender: Reply-To: smann@watdcsu.waterloo.edu (Shannon Mann - I.S.er) Followup-To: Distribution: na Organization: U. of Waterloo, Ontario Keywords: In article <734@wsccs.UUCP> dharvey@wsccs.UUCP (David Harvey) writes: Massive delete... Sorry, inews refused to accept unless I cut down on referenced material. > >If you claim that you are a conscious entity, but that I am not (your >view of the world), and that I am a conscious entity but that you are not >(my view of the world), then I can only assume that you are talking >about self awareness. But is this what determines whether something is >a conscious entity or not? If I am not mistaken, your view is that for >anything to be a conscious entity, it must have self awareness, and only >it can determine whether it is a conscious entity. Please correct me if >I misinterpreted you. But then why in the world am I writing this >article in response? After all, I have no guarantee that you are a >conscious entity or not. But for some reason, I have this persistent >but unverifiable belief that you are a conscious entity. Otherwise, >why would I write? Yes, but consider that the _other_ conscious entity may only be another part of yourself (in the sense of multiple personalities.) You may be unaware that each separate entity is actually the same entity. > In other words, we have a sticky problem that may >or may not have a solution. Yes, Bertrand Russell is someone who had >a neat idea with the proposal of a third indeterminate state. In other >words, I prefer to consider this type of question the mystery it should >be categorized as. > >dharvey@wsccs -=- -=- Shannon Mann -=- smann@watdcsu.UWaterloo.ca -=- 'I have no brain, and I must think...' - An Omynous 'If I don't think, AM I' - Another Omynous P.S. I am unaware of Russell's postulate re: a third indeterminate state. Could you give me some references? Thanks in advance.