Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!agate!saturn!ucscc.UCSC.EDU!chroma From: chroma@ucscc.UCSC.EDU (90210000) Newsgroups: comp.edu Subject: Re: Does `computer literacy' destroy `computer rabidness?' Keywords: Computer Literacy Message-ID: <5224@saturn.ucsc.edu> Date: 23 Oct 88 15:25:11 GMT References: <25018@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Sender: usenet@saturn.ucsc.edu Reply-To: chroma@ucscc.UCSC.EDU Organization: Do anarchists have organizations? Lines: 35 It doesn't seem too different to me except maybe it has gotten a little stuffier. There were never that many real hackers, and usually when I hacked it was on some large mainframe run by other computer types. These were sympathetic and if you crashed the system they were usually only mildly irritated with you and, perhaps even happy if you secretly discovered some bugs. High School Authorities being the irritating lot that most of them are, according to friends are much more freaky about this type of stuff... In addition lots of people do have their own systems and hack on them. It is a whole lot easier to do what you want and no one is going to ask you to sign anything...So it is much more fun in a way but it doesn't quite give you the closely connected community the mainframe universe did. But there are still places where the connected community of hackers exists but, it usually requires non-fussy non-freaky administation. When the choice is between dealing with the usual admin types and having your own machine, the latter usually wins. In addition the huge amount of BBS systems also funnel off people. For example Santa Cruz 7 or 8 years ago had 2 BBSes, now it has about 30, Santa Cruz is a city of about 50,000 with an urban area about 75,000...They are slews of teenagers here on BBS systems, some even have their own BBS systems. This brings up that often asked question of is it possible to have a fun system or network to hack on where you can do all sorts of neat things and still have it so that "normal users" are happy and it provides a service and doesn't irritate people. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Reply to: chroma@ucscc.UCSC.edu Disclaimer:What's that? or ucbvax!ucscc!chroma je ne sais pas.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------