Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!mcnc!ecsvax!gsh@cbnews.att.com From: gsh@cbnews.att.com (Gigi S. Hanna) Newsgroups: comp.society.women Subject: Re: Women's Language and Computing Message-ID: <5662@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Date: 25 Oct 88 20:01:48 GMT References: <5611@ecsvax.uncecs.edu> Sender: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories, Columbus Lines: 35 Approved: skyler@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Moderator -- Trish Roberts) Comments-to: comp-women-request@cs.purdue.edu Submissions-to: comp-women@cs.purdue.edu The article I'm addressing was uneasy about the implications of Cixous' women/language theory. The various French feminists have been tending for a long time toward theories about the "universal feminine", and feminists around the world are in disagreement about the political consequences of espousing this "feminine" rather than insisting on "equality" (disregarding difference) in the male world. But I think that when we define certain qualities as masculine or feminine, we always do so in a male language context. So that the outcome always regards the masculine qualities as BETTER in terms of political power, and the feminine qualities as better in terms of human/spiritual power. I say that there are aspects of ourselves, both men and women that remain unknown to us because of our male language and our EVALUATION of masculine/feminine qualities. The feminist language theories can only point out to us the inadequacies of our language and often they attempt to destroy that language in order to see what's behind it. To relate this to artificial intelligence: I don't think it's possible for AI to surpass our own intelligence. If we are going to base it on "logic" (as it seems we must currently), aren't we going to build into it the same biases, evaluations, blindness of our own logic/language. The question is not whether women can perform in the realms we've decided to call masculine (or vice versa), but how can we look past the language to find out what we can REALLY do (both men and women) without the restrictions of that language. geeg