Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!rutgers!apple!bionet!agate!ucbvax!UIAMVS.BITNET!AWCTTYPA From: AWCTTYPA@UIAMVS.BITNET ("David A. Lyons") Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: more AppleLink--PE Message-ID: <8810232346.aa16996@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> Date: 24 Oct 88 04:43:53 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 86 X-Unparsable-Date: Sunday 23 Oct 88 10:35 PM CT >From: unknown@ucscb (The Unknown User) >Subject: Re: advantages of AppleLink--PE >ProTERM does that last point you made...I'd never heard of a terminal >program doing automatic SCROLLBACK [...] before ProTERM...Even if >there were other programs that did it, I bet they weren't as easy as >ProTERM. I haven't used ProTERM, but I've heard about its scrollback buffer and it certainly sounds useful. Note the difference between that and what I said about ALPE: You can still *see* the reply you're writing even while you're review part of the note you're replying to. There are two separate boxes inside your window, one for each note, and you switch between them with TAB; they scroll separately. Unfortunately, it only works that way for post-office messages (personal mail) right now. I hope they'll add that for regular message-board messages. >Date: Sun, 23 Oct 88 21:43:04 GMT >From: Doug Gwyn >Subject: AppleLink PE woes >When I first joined AppleLink PE, I saw a "new version of AppleLink" >to download. Supposedly when run it would copy your old working >disk to a new one, applying updates in the process. (Why such a >complicated scheme is considered necessary I don't know -- perhaps >some form of copy protection.) There is no copy protection on the disk, but it does create a new password for you each time you sign on. So it needs to copy that info off of the old disk when you download an update. What version was this? I downloaded about three different updates and didn't have trouble. >[...] the "newer" version (which did have a higher version number) >would simply keep asking me to insert the system disk. The prefix has to be set to the directory you're running it from, or it doesn't work. >Of course all AppleLink PE users know how bad the menu >operation is. MouseTalk gets it right; why not AppleLink? Bad in what way? Doesn't follow the conventions you're used to after using pull-down menus on a Mac or a GS program that uses the Menu Manager, but it works just fine. I don't even find it annoying. On ALPE you consistently choose things by clicking on them (or hitting RETURN) when they are already hilighted. >Just now, I saw that ACU (AppleLink Conversion Utility) had been >made available. Again, I read and followed the instructions, then >downloaded a couple of ACU-uploaded files to try it out. Would >you believe that ACU.SYS16, no matter how run (including setting up >path prefix from within AppleLink then running ACU from the >AppleLink menu), starts off by looking (somewhere!) for "ACU files >on a disk". It probes all my drives. Why the hell the prefix is >ignored I don't know. I downloaded ACU and had no trouble making it work. As far as I remember, I followed the instructions. I was working with the 8-bit version of the thing; the 16-bit version just runs the 8-bit version anyway at present, so it doesn't matter which one you use. If you leave a message for Floyd Zink (screen name = AFL Floyd) I'm sure he can explain what was happening and solve your problem promptly. Floyd did *not* write the explanation of how to download and install the ACU files; if he had I'm sure it would have been much clearer. >Having given up on ACU, I thought I'd try BLU. Turns out the >downloaded files weren't even in Binary II format! Another >total waste of funds downloading this stuff. If ACU files were BLU format, you wouldn't need ACU. It's *not* just BLU with a new user interface; it's a new file format, more compact and ready to support extended files (files with resource forks) in the hopfully-not-too-distant future. >I don't know who is responsible for the AppleLink PE software, >but they have so far done an ATROCIOUS design job. --David A. Lyons bitnet: awcttypa@uiamvs DAL Systems CompuServe: 72177,3233 P.O. Box 287 GEnie mail: D.LYONS2 North Liberty, IA 52317 AppleLinkPE: Dave Lyons