Path: utzoo!yunexus!geac!syntron!jtsv16!uunet!husc6!bloom-beacon!apple!bionet!agate!ucbvax!UIAMVS.BITNET!AWCTTYPA From: AWCTTYPA@UIAMVS.BITNET ("David A. Lyons") Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: more Applelink--PE Message-ID: <8810250247.aa10918@SMOKE.BRL.MIL> Date: 25 Oct 88 07:47:40 GMT Article-I.D.: SMOKE.8810250247.aa10918 Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 89 X-Unparsable-Date: Monday 24 Oct 88 4:32 PM CT >Date: Mon, 24 Oct 88 06:57:24 GMT >From: Bob Sherman >Subject: Re: more AppleLink--PE >I doubt they will include the ACU software on the AppleLink software disk, >since as they warn you before you download it, there simply is not enough >room on the 3.5 disk to hold it.. I don't know how that applies to the 5.25 >disk version.. Hmmm...I will check into that. I'm running the 8-bit version (the one that normally comes on a 5.25 disk) on an (800K) 3.5 disk, so there's gobs of room to spare. When ACU was released, I downloaded it onto my 3.5 with no problem. >Compuserve most certainly WILL send you a monthly bill upon request if you >meet their requirements. [...] Thanks for that info--they don't make it at all obvious that billing is an option. (By the way, I've never had trouble with CheckFree billing on CompuServe, where they yank the $$$ right out of my checking account. You get about 2 weeks notice before the electronic transaction happens.) >The forum leaders, and many beta testers have been on ALPE since the >beginning of the year if not before, with many months of free access, >there is no excuse that during this time they did not do their homework >and housekeeping to build the libraries. The libraries were already there >when they first publicly showed the product last May at Applefest, I don't know why things were done how they were done, so don't interpret this as an excuse. For much of the beta-test time, the libraries were "frozen"--uploads were not allowed; or at least new uploads did not get released. Also they had decided long ago to develop and use ACU, and there was a mysterious (to me, anyway) delay between the time Floyd Zink finished it and the time it was released. >20 people sitting in a room chatting for an hour?? gee, at $6 per hour per >person that is $120 an hour. They just love ya all the way to the bank. I have no idea what their operating costs are, so I won't even try to look at it from that end. From the user's end, it may well be worth $6/hr to discuss things with various experts--authors of popular utilities, special guests from Apple or commercial software houses, etc. Of course, some users may prefer to download & read the transcripts rather than participate in the discussion, and you can always leave if it gets boring. And remember that you can read and write e-mail while still following the chat (the chat scrolls thru most of the screen and the post-office window doesn't cover all of it, so you can tell when new stuff scrolls into the chat--Apple-T toggles the post office window on and off, so you can catch up with the chat and go back to your mail). >Flash messages may have their place to some users, but I find it awful >disturbing when trying to read something, or download something and >having unsolicited messages jumping across the screen.. possibly even from >someone I don't even know. I've never heard of anybody complaining about getting flash messages from people they don't know. Most people aren't going to waste their $$$ sending messages at people who don't want to talk to them. (By the way, flash messages are deferred until an upload/download is finished.) >This feature IS available on the Source, WITHOUT having to use their >special software. It works there with any terminal software, however >they also offer you the option to turn it OFF whenever you desire, an >option that as far as I know ALPE does not offer. I also don't know of a way to turn it off, although I haven't asked (since I haven't wanted to). If the Source can let you get real-time messages *without* disturbing what you already have on the screen, I don't see how it could work with any terminal software. > Internet -- bsherm%umbio@umigw.miami.edu > UUCP -- {uunet!gould}!umbio!bsherm > Miami's Big Apple 305-948-8000 1200 baud 24 hours 8 years online (Reminder--I hang around ALPE and answer questions in the Apple Development Forum. I don't get paid, but I do get some free time in exchange for it. --DAL) --David A. Lyons bitnet: awcttypa@uiamvs DAL Systems CompuServe: 72177,3233 P.O. Box 287 GEnie mail: D.LYONS2 North Liberty, IA 52317 AppleLinkPE: Dave Lyons