Path: utzoo!utgpu!water!watmath!clyde!att!osu-cis!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mailrus!purdue!decwrl!labrea!agate!violet.berkeley.edu!steve From: steve@violet.berkeley.edu (Steve Goldfield) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Macintosh and Printers Message-ID: <15423@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> Date: 13 Oct 88 15:50:30 GMT References: <15098@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> <18536@apple.Apple.COM> <914@ccnysci.UUCP> Sender: usenet@agate.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 46 I appreciate the many comments and helpful suggestions I've received about the problem I posted. To summarize, however, a general response, I'm not a Mac programmer. I'm sure I could become one, though it seems hard to justify to my boss that we spend over $100 to buy Inside Macintosh and other resources just to print labels. The same applies to the suggestion of purchasing FoxBase. I have an operating database in McMax (when we bought it the only choices were McMax and the new and disparaged dBASEMac from Ashton-Tate). It doesn't seem realistic to spend the money to buy new software and the time to adapt 100 or so custom programs to it. A few people suggested using the serial port to send directly to my printer. Since my Mac II and my Imagewriter LQ are connected via the printer port and a TOPS network, that doesn't appear to be a viable solution. In any case, I managed to print labels by rewriting my program in such a way that the form length doesn't matter. And it isn't too much of a hardship to walk over to the printer and set print quality by pushing buttons. I also have a general comment about the Mac system, however. Unlike other operating systems I've used, there appears to be a huge gap between the Mac programming level and the system ordinary users see, a gap both financial--i.e., in acquiring the necessary tools for Mac programming--and in the complexity of knowledge needed to program. I question the design of the system because I question whether this was necessary. Although personally I can see why the system is excellent for people new to computers and even that it has some other advantages, I don't think it would have been harmed by having an easily accessible command shell available, too. And, in my opinion, some of these commands should allow the user to set basic configuration parameters like the form length of a printer. What I'm getting at is that Apple appears to have divided users into two groups: system and application programmers (like most of those who read this group) and users who don't want to have to think about how the system works. I suggest that there is at least one other group: people like me who don't have the time or need to learn Mac programming but who have a fair degree of computer skill (I've been programming on various machines and in various languages for 22 years) and want the kind of control over the system we had easily available in CP/M or DOS. Perhaps all that is needed is a set of applications. If so, there may be a market waiting to be filled.