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From: t-jacobs@wasatch.UUCP (Tony Jacobs)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: 6.1 Finder weirdness
Keywords: crashes under MultiFinder sometimes
Message-ID: <427@wasatch.UUCP>
Date: 21 Oct 88 22:26:27 GMT
Organization: University of Utah CS Dept
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Ever since the new 6.x systems showed up and I started using Font/DA Juggler
or Master Juggler I have been experiencing problems with the Finder at various
times.  The problem only occurs when running under the MulfiFinder and from
what I can tell only when the Font/DA-Master Juggler is running.

Every once in awhile the Finder will start to choke,  you try to launch an
application and the Finder restarts.  The visual symptoms are that all the
windows go away and the Finder comes up fresh again.  You try to shutdown and
it hangs, you try to restart and the Finder only restarts. In some cases
in the past all you had to do is pull down a menu and it would restart the
Finder. In all these cases I can launch an application just fine with the
Juggler and other utilities and the applications continue to run just fine in
their MultiFinder partitions.

Now if I reboot the problem is still there.  If I reboot and turn the Font/DA-
Master Juggler off the problem goes away. After rebooting again and letting
the Juggler come up again it works fine too.  Only sometime down the road the
problem occurs again.  I believe when the problem exists that if I reboot and
turn off the Mac the problem goes away.

I'm pretty sure the Finder isn't corrupted cause I have tried replacing it as
well as comparing it against a new Finder.  Long ago I thought it was a bad
System or MultiFinder and I went through all kinds of permutations and 
combinations of replacing files.  I also use about a dozen INITs.  I tried
getting rid of them all and putting them back one at a time and that how I
discovered the Juggler's problem.  It still could be a problem with certain
combinations of these INIT's.  They are AutoBlack, Appleshare, CPSSavesDeletes,
Master Juggler, MenuClock, QuickKeys, SFScroll, SFVol, hierDA, MicroSoft Mail,
Sound Master.

One situation that seems to freequently cause the problem is calling up the
control panel.  It will go off and do it's searching for CDEV thing and then
about the time it wants to come up it will beep and do nothing. Then no DA
will come up which suggests to me that the DA handler is hung up.  Opening a
DA with the option key works for some DAs in that case.

I have normally been able to solve these problems and I'm quite good at 
tracking down where problems are but this one is a bugger.

I thought perhaps it was related to 6.0 system problems but now that I've got
6.02 I don't think so. 6.02 has been very good.

Any Ideas?

-- 
Tony Jacobs * Center for Engineering Design * U of U * t-jacobs@ced.utah.edu