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From: jim@eda.com (Jim Budler)
Newsgroups: news.sysadmin
Subject: Re: Security checkup
Keywords: security intruder self-help
Message-ID: <247@eda.com>
Date: 17 Oct 88 04:56:37 GMT
References: <167@carpet.WLK.COM> <1454@lznv.ATT.COM> <1834@ddsw1.MCS.COM> <2985@mipos3.intel.com> <1218@X.UUCP>
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In article <1218@X.UUCP> john@frog.UUCP (John Woods) writes:
>In article <2985@mipos3.intel.com>, nate@mipos2.intel.com (Nate Hess) writes:
>> In article <307@mccc.UUCP>, pjh@mccc (Pete Holsberg) writes:
>> >Could we stop calling those people who break in "hackers"?  Let's not
>> >continue to support the public's gross misuse of that once-honorable
>> >appellation.

I agree, but...        (see below)

>somehow understand something.  The ``hackers'' stole the term away from those
>who sought understanding (the original hackers), and they told the media their
>self-chosen appellation.

I'm afraid that the term 'hackers' has gone the way of the term
'celophane'. To continue to fight it would be as futile as 3M continuing
to use Celophane as if it were a trademark.

>I think the only solution is to choose a new name for Real Hackers.  How about

I agree completely.

>Roz Chast's suggestion of "Data Stylist"?

Ugh!

Come on!!! Do you call a garbageman a 'Sanitation Engineer'? Ooops, not
a very good comparison. Its late, I can't think of a better one.

To make it in media you have to have short, simple, *non-elitist* labels.

Like Ham, Hacker (sorry), etc.

Before I went with Data Stylist, I would go for:

	Data Ham	(maybe with ARRL approval?)
	Bit Ham		(maybe with ARRL approval?)
	Data Spam	:-)
	Bit Spam	:-)
	{Data,Bit,} Munger
	Nerd		(sorry, but today it has better media connotations,
			 see various TV shows and movies)


I certainly don't know...
>John Woods, Charles River Data Systems, Framingham MA, (617) 626-1101

>	Goooooood Morning Discovery!	-Robin Williams

Hey, yeah, good morning Robin! That astronaut (female) who was responsible
for the media, etc. and managed to think of, much less accomplish, the
idea of having Robin Williams call out good morning to the astronauts is
one *great* imaginative thinker.

I know, wrong newsgroup, but I can't resist:

HOORAY Discovery.


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