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From: peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: RE: "GODel, Escher, Bach ..." by Douglas R. Hofstadter, figure 18
Message-ID: <455@soleil.UUCP>
Date: 28 Oct 88 14:38:57 GMT
Organization: GE Solid State, Somerville, NJ
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>>In article <446@soleil.UUCP> peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) writes:
>>
>>There is definitely something missing from figure 18 on p.71.  And of course
>>it's not "sensible".  I haven't been a sensible person lately.  For a clue,
>>look at M.C.Escher's "Liberation" or "Reptiles".  It's probably a stupid
>>idea anyway.  Ignore what I say.
>>
>>Here's another clue:  The text you are now reading is a 2 dimensional
>>representation of thoughts from the 3rd and 4th dimension.

In message <6634@venera.isi.edu> Mr. Smoliar writes:

>Escher may be the only artist to successfully capture the three spatial
>dimensions and the temporal dimension in a single two-dimensional image.
>Clearly, time is missing from the illustration.  It is also missing from
>much of what is written about mind, although Gerald Edelman seems to be
>holding forth as a potentially viable exception.

Thank you for responding.  However, you are wrong.  Time is very much apart
of the figure.  I believe Time gives definition to every dimension known
to people.  Even the 2 dimensional piece of paper containing figure 18.

Without time, how could you possibly define a point?  A point in a sense,
is the 0th dimension, and there are points in all dimensions.  You can
even be bolder and say TIME is the 0th dimension.

You are very close to the answer I had in mind.  But don't take this too
seriously.  I don't know who Gerald Edelman is, could you please cite some
references.

Do you think when you die, someone walks in and says "simulation over, your
quarter is up".  Like some kind of super video game.