Path: utzoo!attcan!telly!evan From: evan@telly.UUCP (Evan Leibovitch) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: V.32 will dominate the marketplace (Was: Re: Which is best?) Message-ID: <407@telly.UUCP> Date: 6 Nov 88 18:10:00 GMT References: <9515@conexch.UUCP> <1125@vsi1.UUCP> <299@telebit.UUCP> <11136@conexch.UUCP> Organization: System telly, Brampton, Ontario Lines: 86 In article <11136@conexch.UUCP>, root@conexch.UUCP (Larry Dighera) writes: > > Until now, the Telebit modem has been the only _inexpenxive_ high speed modem > available that would support the uucp protocol. I see that as the chief > reason for it being embraced so keenly here. If you had looked much beyond Usenet, you'd also see that most non-Unix BBS systems have also decided against V.32, but instead of the Telebit chose the USRobotics HST. USR, apparently, did a deal for FidoNet similar to the one Telebit did for us. Though I don't have the numbers, it appears that these two modems, between them, have a very strong hold on on-line services. Buy a V.32 modem, and see how many public services you can talk to at >2400 baud. > Now that the new Rockwell V.32 chipset is > available, there is little doubt that cheap _Full-Duplex_ 9600 bps modems > will begin to dominate the marketplace. Better technology always > supplants inferior technology, if it is affordable. (have you noticed > the price of 300 baud modems today.) The jury is still out on whether these yet-non-existant cheap V.32 modems will have superior specs to the 'Blazer. How can you be so cocky touting the merits of modems which nobody has seen? In the meantime, the T1000 has dropped the PEP admission fee significantly. > Unfortunately, Half-duplex Trail Blazers are the defacto standard for > moving news. That is going to retard the rate of acceptance of V.32 modems > among UNIX (tm) usenet sites. Until you can prove how V.32 is NOW a better way of moving Usenet news, I see no reason to consider this unfortunate. And with Telebit and USR working on a CCITT proposal for a standard which would include BOTH the PEP and HST ways of moving data, we could have a "standard" which would have not only good technology, but a far bigger installed base than anything else. > >if you invest in Telebit or USR, you are throwing your money away. > > Although this is a bit of an over simplification of the situation, I > basically agree. The exception being the site which pays long distance > telephone charges and dedicates the Trail Blazer to moving news. Those > sites have probably paid for their Trail Blazers in lower phone charges. > But, the sites which intend to user their Trail Blazers for general > world wide communications are going to be disappointed. Many of the other sites I wanted to talk to already had Telebits. I wanted to talk to them at high speeds. I have not been disappointed. It is the V.32 modem which would have left me isolated had I chosen one. Sites which want to talk to my site are buying Telebits. Telebits let me talk to the sites I need to talk to at high speeds. Tell me how V.32 will change that for the better. > >The USENET community has done itself a disservice to let itself fall into > >the trap it is now in. It should be fun to watch as you netadmin types have > >to replace your equipment with new modems, be they V.32 or whatever PEP > >variation is officially adopted by the CCITT(hint: it will not be compatible > >with your current Trailblazers). As long as the sites I talk to don't trash their Telebits, I won't be trashing mine. A "trap" I can live with quite nicely, thank you. > I would be very interested in a more detailed explaination of this "hint". From what I've heard from a couple of sources (including someone at the Telebit booth at UNIXExpo last week), I think the HST-Telebit proposal would make the HST scheme mandatory and PEP optional, with connect-time negotiation to determine which one is to be used. I am told that current Trailblazers will NOT be ROM-upgradable to handle the combined standard, though they will be able to talk to any new modems which have the PEP support. I believe Telebit may also be close to pushing PEP >22,000 pre-compression bps. Where is the V.32 superior technology? P.S. I do not speak for Telebit. I am, however, tired of consultants telling me my equipment is obsolete when they haven't seen the replacement. Old end-user joke: How can you tell when a consultant is lying? His lips are moving. -- Evan Leibovitch, SA of System Telly If Jesus was a Jew Located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario, Canada how come he had evan@telly.on.ca -or- uunet!attcan!telly!evan a Mexican name?