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From: lmb@vsi1.UUCP (Larry Blair)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: V32 will smash TB+ in a year (?)
Message-ID: <1204@vsi1.UUCP>
Date: 10 Nov 88 19:04:48 GMT
References: <10805@cup.portal.com> <1417@percival.UUCP> <11078@cup.portal.com>
Reply-To: lmb@vsi1.UUCP (Larry Blair)
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In article <11078@cup.portal.com> David@cup.portal.com (David Michael McCord) writes:
>How many sites presently using trailblazers will find it necessary in the 
>near future to buy an additional 9600bps modems (v.32, natch) to support high 
>speed applications, instead of simply re-using their existing equipment?  
>What is that cost going to be?

Why do I respond to this guy?  I guess because I can't stand the smugness
of his warped position.

A.  We have 2 TB+s.  We keep them busy enough transmitting news and mail
    that I have no intention of letting anyone tie them up for some other
    purpose.

B.  V.32 will NEVER let us transfer files via uucp as fast as we can over
    the TB.  I consider 9600 baud too slow.

C.  Compared to all the other costs involved in networking our LAN to the
    rest of the world, the price of a TB is a drop in the bucket.

>What if you are a new site, just starting to use uucp; and because all the 
>other uucp users talk telebit, you find you have to buy one too.  Yet, 
>because you have need to talk to the rest of the world, you have to buy 
>another modem type (v.32 again) for those applications.  What is your opinion 
>going to be regarding the original netadmins who bought telebit?

I'd have a pretty high opinion of them.  And I'd buy another modem.  Big
deal.

>Aren't you 
>being forced to buy a modem and dedicate it to a particular application 
>rather than using a single type in ALL your applications?  What about the 
>possible economies of scale you are losing?  What is the cost of that?

Economies of scale?  How many TB's do you think you need?  I figure that
2 TB's can feed at least 20 other TB sites.

As far as dedicating modems to an application, so what?  I got a three
1200 baud callback modems, each costing more than my TB's, dedicated
to dial-ins.  I've got another 1200 dedicated to low speed tip's.  If,
in the future, I need to run another application (say, SLIP) which the
TB can't handle, I'll buy the appropriate modem.  (And I'll give you
a HINT: It probably will be a TB++, not a ridiculously slow thing like
V.32)

>My position was, and remains, that there are many hidden costs to the 
>trailblazers.  Maybe *you* haven't had to pay them...yet.  But you will.

I would really like to hear what these "hidden" costs are, but unfortunately
I just put /mccord/h:j in my KILL file.  My blood pressure already too high.
-- 
Larry Blair   ames!vsi1!lmb   lmb%vsi1.uucp@ames.arc.nasa.gov