Path: utzoo!utgpu!attcan!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!decwrl!purdue!haven!mimsy!tank!nic.MR.NET!shamash!nis!ems!srcsip!voltron!leyse From: leyse@voltron.SRC.Honeywell.COM (Todd Leyse) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: Can Amiga reach for the Sun? Message-ID: <11343@srcsip.UUCP> Date: 4 Nov 88 06:27:28 GMT References: <6526@xanth.cs.odu.edu> <613@quintus.UUCP> <6558@xanth.cs.odu.edu> Sender: news@src.honeywell.COM Reply-To: leyse@voltron.UUCP (Todd Leyse) Organization: Honeywell Systems & Research Center, Camden, MN Lines: 94 In article <6558@xanth.cs.odu.edu> manes@cs.odu.edu (Mark Manes) writes: >In article <613@quintus.UUCP> pds@quintus.UUCP (Peter Schachte) writes: >>In article <6526@xanth.cs.odu.edu> manes@cs.odu.edu (Mark Manes) writes: >>>... does it make good marketing sense for Commodore to develop a >>>Amiga 3000? Sure. It is a natural extension of the line. Maybe the time is not now but it should be addressed. Since Amiga sales are 40% of Cmdre's revenue and the 64/128 sales are slipping even more each year (since 1985) they either have to look to new markets, increase market penetration, or develop new products. Obiously they are doing the first two things (more ad budget and expanding distribution in Austrailia and Asia Pacific). >>>Perhaps the Amiga 500 needs to be renamed, or the 2000. A clear seperation Rename??? Negative. Remember when the 1000 came out? Commodore didn't put their name on the product 'cause of their game/low quality image but now they do on the 500 and 2000. They have built up a better name; it would be unwise to change a name. >>>must exist in order for the people to seperate game machine from >>>business system (no offense 500 owners!). Business people do not want to >>This is just why there should be an A3000. The businessperson will sure >>get that warm, fuzzy "elite" feeling running a 25 MHz 68030. Especially >>since he or she can run the same programs his kids do on their A500 at >>home. And he or she can use the same programs at home as a work (if >>more slowly). I don't think it would be good for this machine to have a >>different name; the name should say "the same, only better." "Mac II" > >A warm fuzzy feeling? Not sure. I doubt that most "business" folks know >or care about the speed of a CPU. They care about the applicatinos that >are available, how easy is it to use, if it takes a 68030 to do it, then >so be it. The hardware is not the problem, 68020 should be more than >adequent (I would even argue that a 68000) to handle busisness tasks. I agree completely. If I were a business owner and said the 2000 is okay for now but I may need two or three terminals in the future. Sure I can add this, but maybe I want to bump up the speed. I don't want to buy this '020 card and this ethernet and this ram for buffering and another hard disk. I would rather "upgrade" when I think I need to. If you don't have another model for me, I may go somewhere else. Who (business wise) wants to learn two O.S.'s and two application packages when they switch. What about the Ranger? Remember this name circulating before the Amiga was named? Maybe the 3000 should be the Amiga Ranger??? :) >I said "rename" the machines, create a distinction. I did not say make the >A500 incompatible with the A2000 (A3000?). Mac II? compared to Mac? >>The only problem with the 2000/500 distinction is that the differences >>don't seem all that convincing to the average businessperson. After >>looking at both, he or she might think "well, the 2000 doesn't seem all >>that much flashier than the 500, and I know the 500 is a game machine*, >>so maybe I should stick with a Mac." Having a fast, sexy 3000 should >>help that problem. > >Exactly my point, why is there even a comparison? The educated user >can look and see if there were compatible, but it should not be so >readly noticed. I think this is what dealers are for. I would guess that most business people would prefer the 2000 over the 500 because of - drive in front - detached keyboard (easier to compare to friends' computers) - internally expandability >>* Not my opinion, that of a mythical businessperson. Don't flame me >> about this. No flames intended. Just my two bits. >>-Peter Schachte "Clean water? I'm for clean water." >>pds@quintus.uucp -George Bush >>..!sun!quintus!pds >Mark D. Manes "In Amiga We Trust" By the way, I don't like Cmdre's Annual Report this year. I just got mine last week and I noticed a few stupidities. (Okay, I'm picky, but...) ON THE COVER - the guy has his dress shirt buttoned at the cuff but not the next button up 3 inches. He looks like he needs a shave too. Come on guy, you're on the cover! Page 14 - They used the exact same sentence twice. "The strengthening of European currencies versus the dollar had a favorable impact on sales." Sure, it was for different years, but couldn't they have changed it a little or say "Once again" or something? Besides these slight imperfections, I think it sells well. I realize they are probably afraid of too much expansion with their long term debt but too would like to see them expand by buying up the rights to GOMF and maybe some of the ideas of ARP and incorporate them into the OS. I think many people don't like to make those choices. Anyway, Mooooo... Todd C Leyse MN65-2100 Honeywell Systems and Research Center Voice: (612)782-7380 Snail: 3660 Technology Dr., Minneapolis, MN 55418 Amiga: Not Available yet Internet: leyse@moon.honeywell.com UUCP: leyse@srcsip.uucp Bang: {umn-cs,ems,bthpyd}!srcsip!leyse