Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!lll-winken!lll-tis!helios.ee.lbl.gov!pasteur!ucbvax!UNCACDC.BITNET!server From: server@UNCACDC.BITNET (SystemServer) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Undeliverable message Message-ID: <881104095651.000005ED.AFLE.D2@UNCACDC.BITNet> Date: 4 Nov 88 16:56:51 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 348 +--------------------------------+ : A copy of your message follows : +--------------------------------+ Received: by CANADA01 (Mailer X1.25) id 7837; Thu, 03 Nov 88 19:55:23 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 88 14:58:12 PDT Reply-To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.edu Sender: INFO-ATARI16 Discussion Comments: Warning -- original Sender: tag was Info-Atari16-request@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU From: Info-Atari16 Digest Subject: Info-Atari16 Digest V88 #460 To: Brent Sawatzky , Brian Fuss Info-Atari16 Digest Tuesday, October 25, 1988 Volume 88 : Issue 460 This weeks Editor: Bill Westfield Today's Topics: Resource Construction Re: Distribution list Re: Re: Atari fair at Duesseldorf Disk Drives Re: Atari Diagnostic Query Screen dumps to the Deskjet printer Looking for DX7IIDE!/Atari users ST MINIX Sell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 88 07:31:31 GMT From: silver!sl148033@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Kevin_Clendenien) Subject: Resource Construction To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu ---- I recently upgraded my TDI Modula-2 from a regular version to a developers version. Included with the developer's version is a resource construction program. According to the ABOUT dialog, this resource constructor is licensed from Megamax. Unfortunately there was no documentation included with the program. After playing around with it for a while, I managed to make it useful. I have two questions: 1) When I create a new tree, the program always places it on a background box of the same size. No matter how much I play with it, I haven't been able to get that background box to change sizes. To create a new tree, I pull either from a MENU, FREE, DIALOG, or UNKNOWN icon. No matter which of those I choose, the background box is always the same size. 2) When creating a menu I can get a new TITLE on the menu line, but I can't seem to add any entries under a title. Any suggestions would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- sl148033@silver.UUCP Kevin Clendenien ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 88 02:59:05 GMT From: killer!usl!usl-pc!jpdres13@ames.arc.nasa.gov (John Joubert) Subject: Re: Distribution list To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu -------------------- Gary, add me to the ZMAG dist list too! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Joubert : /\ : /\ : _ jpdres13@usl-pc.USL or ... : \:<>:>:> \:<>:>:><`:`: ut-sally!usl!usl-pc!jpdres13 :-----/:-------/:---------------------- GEnie: J.JOUBERT : \/ \/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1988 13:52:55 CET From: AEE05%DK0RRZK0.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Re: Re: Atari fair at Duesseldorf In article <0907881307> mcvax:np1:nikhefh:t19@uunet.uu.net writes: >> ... Prospero Fortran and Pascal ... > >I have heard nothing but horror stories from users of these >(not the latest version, though). Many bugs and slow. Use >Absoft for Fortran, don't use Pascal. > ^stuff deleted! I'm using ProPascal and ProFortran for approx. 2 years now. Due to my positive impression I feel obliged to contradict Geert in his opinion concerning these compilers. Many bugs ... Latest versions (i.e. 2.13) are free of fatal bugs, maybe they're still a bit rough around the edges. 2.11 had some bugs, yes. ... and slow Compiler front end is slow, linker is even slower. But the code is quite fast: I'm sceptical about compilation time enthusiasts. They all liked T*rbo Pascal 2.x and 3.x on the small I*Ms. They are totally happy about new concepts in Rev. 4.0 now, i.e. the modular compilation feature ("units"), for example. Well, Prospero compilers did it all the time ... Prospero are the only ones who offer not only 68881-libraries but even 68020/68881-libraries for all their compilers (i.e. Fortran, Pascal, C). You just have to relink your programs, no source modification at all. They offer a real language family. You may use Assembler routines in Fortran functions called by Pascal procedures re- ferred to in a main program written in C and vice versa. Saves lotta time for a team of programmers, really: Their interest in feedback from users is big, their hotline is as good as the rest of their service, as updates are free of charge, for example. Summarizing, ProFortran and ProPascal are no tools to write quick'n dirty hacks, ok. But at least for any other, bigger job they're the best I know - up to now... Disclaimer: These are the opinions of a satisfied customer - nothing more. ____________________________________________________________________________ Udo Keller Dept. of Theoretical Biology Inst. of Developmental Physiology BitNet: aee05@dk0rrzk0.bitnet University of Cologne ------------------------------------ SloNet: Gyrhofstr. 17 "While Eeyore frets... 5000 Cologne 41 and Piglet hesitates FRG and Owl pontificates ... Pooh just _is_." ------------------------------ Date: 25-OCT-1988 16:36:05 From: MARCUS%STOAT.PCL.AC.UK@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU To: INFO-ATARI16@SCORE.STANFORD.EDU Subject: Disk Drives Hello, I wonder if anyone could help me with a query from an ST owning son of one of my work colleagues? He's just picked up a Technomatic double 3.5" double sided disk drive (that's two double sided drives in one box!) for a paltry sum and wants to know if he can get it working on his 520ST. It's rigged up for a BBC Microcomputer (one of those strange things UK educational establishments favour) so it needs conversion but I imagine it"s probably pretty standard IBM type. I figure there must have been articles published on such conversions (I know there has been such an article for the Amiga) - anyone got any ideas? Thanks in advance, - m a r c u s - (ex info-atari8 subscriber, now i-amiga subscriber - no flames pleeeeeease!) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= marcus@uk.ac.pcl.stoat - JANET "The streets are crammed with marcus%stoat.pcl.ac.uk@ukacrl - BITNET/EARN things, eager to be held..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Oct 88 16:35:18 SET To: Info-Atari16@Score.Stanford.EDU From: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: Atari Diagnostic Query In Info-Atari16 Digest #458, portal!cup.portal.com!BobR@uunet.uu.net (Bob BobR Retelle) says: >Lee Dickey asks: >>> The local Atari Service Depot has not heard or seen this code before nor >>>has Atari Canada Service Dept. any idea what this means, (their >>>solution to the first machine was to replace the mother board at a >>>cost of $400.00 Can. rather then find out what's wrong with the machine). >>So, I thought that the replacement cost was $95 exchange. >>Does this price represent a change in policy? >The "official" exchange program involves sending your entire ST back to >Atari U.S. in California along with $95. They will send back a new >ST... (the $95 is for the original 520ST, other models are higher, AND >I have no idea if the program is offered outside the U.S.) >Of course, sending your machine back to Atari can take three weeks or so... >BobR Well, it isn't, at least, not in Germany. And if you get a new motherboard for the low price of only $400, be happy. I had to pay more than DM 300 to get a 1040ST fixed (there were broken connections on the motherboard) with the old board, because Atari Germany ***REFUSED*** to sell my authorized certified contract Atari dealer a replacement motherboard AT ANY PRICE. NONE! And, of course, it took 8 weeks to find these broken connections (they were beneath a chip) ... From what I've seen and heard, Atari customer support in the US seems to be OK if not perfect. But Atari Germany is treating customers like $#!+ !!! They have an attitude of 'if these things sell like they do they don't need support' ! I just wish we had something like that replacement deal over here. Bitnet: VBRANDT@DBNUAMA1 Volker A. Brandt UUCP: ...!unido!DBNUAMA1.bitnet!vbrandt Angewandte Mathematik ARPAnet: VBRANDT%DBNUAMA1.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (Bonn, West Germany) Dis-Disclaimer: I said it, I mean it. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 88 16:55:58 GMT From: news@blackbird.afit.af.mil (News System Account) Subject: Screen dumps to the Deskjet printer To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I am getting a HP DeskJet printer for my 1040ST and was wondering if there is any way to use the 'install printer' option from the desktop to do screen dumps to the DeskJet. I am getting the Epson cartridge with it so will this help? I do a lot of plotting of math functions using several different plotting programs that I then use the 'alt-help' screen dump to get a copy of. Will the DJ accept these dumps? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance netlanders! (this is a re-post since I never got any replies to my original and wasn't sure if it got out) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 88 03:10:00 GMT From: portal!cup.portal.com!Adam_I_Borin@uunet.uu.net Subject: Looking for DX7IIDE!/Atari users To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu I own a Yamaha DX7IID with grey matter E! upgrade and a FB01. I use an Atari 1040ST for sequencing and storage. I originally started in music as just a hobby but am getting more serious about my music as time goes along. I would like to contact somebody who has similiar equipment via e-mail to exchange ideas and suggestions. I am relatively new to synthesizers and would like to learn more than what the manuals have to say. adam_i_borin@cup.portal.com (UUCP) sun!cup.portal.com!adam_i_borin (ARPA) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 88 14:20:22 GMT From: polyof!jeff@nyu.edu (A1 jeff giordano ) Subject: ST MINIX To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu [Mr Line Eater, try to snort this line] A week or so back I posted a question asking if the BMS hard disk board would work with ST-MINIX. I got two replies, both have good news, they are as follows: (edited of course) >From Vance Chin of Berkley Microsystems: > We have not tried Minix ST with the BMS-100. Our board emulates >the SH204 hard drive host adapter so it should work. > The only thing I'm wondering about is if Minix has it's own formatter >or if it just uses the format the ST uses. > >Vance Chin @ Berkeley Microsystems >From Gerry Wheeler >Yes, it works fine. I'm using a 520 with 1 meg, colour monitor, BMS >controller with two ST225 drives. As supplied, MINIX knows about 1 SCSI >controller with one drive having up to four partitions. However, by >altering a couple of constants and recompiling it will handle up to >eight controllers with two drives each. > >At the moment, I have four partitions on my first drive -- 2 meg for >GEM's C: drive (for accessories, etc.), 1 meg for GEM's D: drive, 1 meg >for MINIX root file system, and 16 meg for MINIX working. My other disk >has two partitions for GEM. By installing disk icons for only drives C, >D, G, and H, I can prevent GEM from writing on the MINIX partitions. > >MINIX does not have any 16 meg limit on partition sizes, but the BMS >software won't create a partition larger than that. However, one of >MINIX's devices references the entire (unpartitioned) disk, so I think >I'll make the changes to MINIX, and then dedicate my whole second drive >to it. > -- > Gerry Wheeler Phone: (519)884-2251 >Mortice Kern Systems Inc. UUCP: uunet!watmath!mks!wheels > 35 King St. North BIX: join mks >Waterloo, Ontario N2J 2W9 CompuServe: 73260,1043 > Vance and Gerry: Thank you very much for your input. Geoffrey Giordano INET: jeff@polyof.poly.edu UUCP: ...trixie!polyof!jeff Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. Line counter fodder. ------------------------------ From: ykim@lynx.northeastern.edu Date: Tue, 25 Oct 88 17:11:04 EDT To: info-atari16@score.stanford.edu Subject: Sell Sell Atari 520 STF+ (european system with french keyboard). Coming with blitter (not installed) installation ready for blitter. Coming with "Aladin new version" (mac emulator without using Apple roms). Price: $350 (+ $25 for shipping). Call 617-536-7049 (John). ------------------------------ End of Info-Atari16 Digest ************************** -------