Path: utzoo!yunexus!geac!syntron!jtsv16!uunet!lll-winken!lll-lcc!ames!ncar!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!uccba!uceng!dmocsny From: dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) Newsgroups: comp.sys.next Subject: Re: NeXT's BIG 3.5" mistake. Summary: Storage reqs. vs. access times; information reqs. of knowledge workers Message-ID: <355@uceng.UC.EDU> Date: 29 Oct 88 16:11:41 GMT Article-I.D.: uceng.355 References: <0XMtqn087E-0A14EYk@andrew.cmu.edu> <344@uceng.UC.EDU> <5772@hoptoad.uucp> Organization: Univ. of Cincinnati, College of Engg. Lines: 73 In article <5772@hoptoad.uucp>, tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) writes: > In article <344@uceng.UC.EDU> dmocsny@uceng.UC.EDU (daniel mocsny) writes: > > A few filing cabinets add up to ~1 GB, and a > >sizable library runs into the terabyte range. > > Say what? That's so if you store it all as bitmaps, but that's a > pretty dumb way to store most books. Dumb from the standpoint of storage requirements, but compression schemes shift the burden away from storage onto the processor. People won't abandon paper for electronic media until the latter have similar capability to present information as well as speed and flexibility advantages. And 98% of the world's recorded information is in printed form. Until we have some standard way to convert it all into compact logical page descriptions, the easiest short-term solution is to use bitmaps for some things. Yech. The biggest reason people like paper is because it delivers superb display quality. Paper won't go away if computers can only deliver 80x25 ASCII. You've got to deliver quality screen typesetting, you need quality grey-scale or color graphics, and you need to have display speeds approaching how fast you can flip through pages in a book. Sure, you can strip a book of all its bells and whistles and pack it onto a double-sided floppy. And wait around for it to decompress and show up on the screen. Whatever storage scheme you use, it has to be fast. That limits how tight you can pack it. I'm writing a book using LaTeX. I have about 1MB of ASCII source, and the book isn't all that long (about 300 pages typeset, and I'm not done yet). I have plenty of line drawings, but no photos. Running LaTeX on the source takes well over an hour on a Compaq 386. The .dvi file is larger than the source, roughly double. To make the book pleasantly readable anytime soon, the user needs the .dvi file. To exploit the searching capabilities of the computer, the user will want a full-text index, which will require 2-3MB. So 1MB of ASCII source generates 4-5 times as much storage requirement to deliver the information usefully. You probably could not compress this by more than half without paying an intolerable speed penalty. We can haggle over how we are going to store and present text, but graphics are the real problem. The need for graphics is not trivial, else we would have long ago tossed out our magazines and books and been happy with our character displays. Furthermore, the density of graphics in books reflects not only the need for them, but the costs and hassles involved in producing and reproducing them. If I had photos in my book, the storage requirements would be enormously greater. To accurately digitize a fine color print requires at least 4k by 4k by 24 bits. That's ~4 x 10^8 bits, or 50 MB. Say we have a fast compression scheme that cuts it down by a factor of 50. You still only get ~500 quality images on a CD-ROM. With suitable prestidigitation 50 MB on a printed page doesn't have to mean 50 MB on the disk. But the bottom line is the paper piles on my desk can show me those nominal 50 MB, and that's what I want to see, and quickly. We can always bring up sound and video if we find ourselves with more storage than we know what to do with. Static descriptions on paper do not really do justice to many fields of study. Especially skill-oriented domains such as medicine, arts, laboratory chemistry, etc. The information content of my paper piles is only a crude lower bound on how much information I could profitably use if I could get it quickly and cheaply enough. About library size: the on-line catalog at my university lists over 800,000 volumes, and I find what I am looking for about half the time. Obviously I won't live long enough to read 800,000 volumes, but an intellectual community needs fast access to a resource at least as large. Unless I had a very well-defined job that was about to get automated, I couldn't imagine being able to do very well with only the books I can personally afford to buy and store in paper form. Dan Mocsny