Xref: utzoo comp.ai:2629 talk.philosophy.misc:1576 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!seismo!sundc!pitstop!sun!quintus!ok From: ok@quintus.uucp (Richard A. O'Keefe) Newsgroups: comp.ai,talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence and Intelligence (and all this fun stuff) Message-ID: <697@quintus.UUCP> Date: 18 Nov 88 02:32:31 GMT References: <484@soleil.UUCP> <88Nov15.170837est.707@neat.ai.toronto.edu> <17847@glacier.STANFORD.EDU> <4714@boulder.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@quintus.UUCP Reply-To: ok@quintus.UUCP (Richard A. O'Keefe) Organization: Quintus Computer Systems, Inc. Lines: 24 In article <4714@boulder.Colorado.EDU> hassell@tramp.Colorado.EDU (Christopher Hassell) writes: >The MOST ticklish concept left would now be old hat. > We started with stuff like believing we didn't have the only nice > flat perspective (i.e. heavenly bodies existing, w/round earth) That has indeed been old hat for >2200 years. > The next general milestone was our conceding that we *ain't* at the > center of our universe either (This one's still going) Note that Ptolemaic astronomy did not put the Earth at the centre of the universe & that the mediaeval perspective could more accurately be described as "at the bottom of a pit" than "at the centre of the universe". > After this was a shocker, we are not separate from animals and the > `unintelligent' entities we see around us. (Tough one) There is a fascinating book called "The Criminal Prosecution and Execution of Animals" (that's from memory, the book is at home) which was republished a couple of years ago. Up until about the 18th century, it turns out that it was a common occurrence for animals (even a swarm of locusts) to be tried in court. This doesn't sound as though premodern Europe thought there was such a great separation. How can you possibly try a sow which ate its piglets for murder unless you believe that it was a responsible moral being? History is not only stranger than we imagine, it is _other_ than we imagine.