Xref: utzoo comp.ai:2646 talk.philosophy.misc:1585 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!tektronix!sequent!verdix!mark From: mark@verdix.com (Mark Lundquist) Newsgroups: comp.ai,talk.philosophy.misc Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence and Intelligence Message-ID: <122@verdix.verdix.com> Date: 18 Nov 88 19:04:11 GMT References: <484@soleil.UUCP> Sender: netnews@verdix.com Reply-To: mark@verdix.com (Mark Lundquist) Organization: Verdix Western Operations; Aloha, OR Lines: 47 In article <484@soleil.UUCP> peru@soleil.UUCP (Dave Peru) writes: >Definition of Intelligence: > >1. Know how to solve problems. >2. Know which problems are unsolvable. >3. Know #1, #2, and #3 defines intelligence. > >This is the correct definition of intelligence. If anyone disagrees, please >state so and why. OK, I'll bite. First of all, in regard to (2), since there is no algorithm for deciding whether or not an arbitrary problem is solvable, it's hard to see how anything could posses property (2). Also, I don't understand why you include (3). What claims does it allow you to make about intelligent agents or intelligent behavior? What would you say about a being that possessed (1) and (2) but not (3)? Each of (1), (2), and (3) is formulated in terms of 'knowing'. Just what do you mean by "knows"? It seems possible that there is a sense of 'knowing' such that if a being could be truly said to 'know' even one thing in that sense, that being would be intelligent. As for proclaiming the above definition to be "correct", again it's not clear to me what you mean. You need to show that your definition is what people mean (or at least ought to mean) when they use the word "intelligent". Your definition certainly doesn't seem to be correct in this sense. You might choose to propose this definition as that of some particular _species_ of intelligence (I don't know why you would; I cofess that I'm quite unable to imagine what such a species of intelligence would be like), but I don't think in that case that you would have arrived at any useable concept of intelligence. This leads to my final point, which is that there's a significant burden-of-proof issue. Defining things is tricky business. There are predicates that we can and do use meaningfully but which don't appear to have any correct definition. Such terms are normative rather than descriptive, and they appear to be most adequately formulated in terms of "what it isn't" than "what it is" (I personally suspect that "intelligent" is one of these terms). When proposing a definition of something, especially a definition as problematic as this one, a little explaining of how you arrived at the definition is in order. You might try to anticipate some of the difficulties with it, and show why you believe that your definition isn't specious. As it is, the definition is little better than (4) Prefers pink grapefruit to yellow grapefruit (5) Stares mindlessly at toothpicks (6) Knows that (4), (5), and (6) constitute intelligence "This is right and if you don't think so, say why".