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From: ap1i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew C. Plotkin)
Newsgroups: comp.ai
Subject: Re: Artificial Intelligence and Intelligence
Message-ID: <UXV=2Yy00WE3A190Vf@andrew.cmu.edu>
Date: 18 Nov 88 23:22:12 GMT
References: <484@soleil.UUCP> <1738@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU>,
	<1888@crete.cs.glasgow.ac.uk>
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/ In article <1738@cadre.dsl.PITTSBURGH.EDU>
/ geb@cadre.dsl.pittsburgh.edu (Gordon E. Banks)  writes:
/ >Says who?  Can you prove this?  All the evidence I know points
/ >toward human beings as being machines.
/
/ Can't know much then.
/ See C18 enlightenment debate, Descartes, goals of encylopaedists,
/ limitations of enlightenment rationality

I know some Descartes, little of the others. However, I know a lot of human
beings, and I've never seen evidence that they (or I) are not machines.

/ I cannot see how an educated (and intelligent :-)) person could
/ possibly be so ignorant of the cultural context of mechanistic models of
/ humans.

What does cultural context have to do with it? But if they've shown evidence
that human beings aren't machines, by all means post a summary -- many many AI
researchers will be fascinated.

/ All machines are artifacts.
/ Humans are not artifacts.
/ Humans are not machines.

Fallacy there. You should know better.

--Z