Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!seismo!esosun!ucsdhub!jack!nusdhub!rwhite
From: rwhite@nusdhub.UUCP (Robert C. White Jr.)
Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems
Subject: Re: Verbose modems (Re: MORE 6386 U
Message-ID: <1249@nusdhub.UUCP>
Date: 12 Nov 88 03:15:19 GMT
References: <18600068@clio>
Organization: National University, San Diego
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in article <18600068@clio>, berger@clio.las.uiuc.edu says:
> Nf-ID: #R:cbmvax.UUCP:5203:clio:18600068:000:405
> Nf-From: clio.las.uiuc.edu!berger    Nov 10 15:25:00 1988
> 
> 
> There's a perfectly good reason to have a dialin modem in verbose
> mode.  Some of us can't afford extra serial ports and modems, and
> have to use the same modem for dial in and dial out.  We do it all
> the time with microcomputers, so it doesn't have to be kludgy.

Nothing personal, but I don't consider this to be anything even
vaguely near a "good reason" for any such thing.

Properly defined dialing strings in your uucp system will allow you to
use the built in dialing system (cu, uucp, whatever) without ever
leaving your modem in "verbose mode" beyond the scope of the actual
dial.

For example  (in HDB for a Hayes [from memory if I make a
mistake;-)]):

\rATZ\d\r\rATE1V1X1\r\rAT\r  OK-ATE1V1X1\rAT\r-OK ATD\T;V0X0O CONNECT

to whit; reset modem, set verbose mode and demand acknowlege,
if no acknowlege try to force acknowlege again-or fail, Dial number
but do not go online-reset verbose mode off-then go online, wait for
connect.

This is ugly, and there are better ways which I don't have at hand
right now, but it is not *that* dificult to do.  Really good modems
even have a dialer which you have to "wake up" with a code, which goes
back to sleep if (1) you make a connection or (2) you leave the set
idle for a few seconds [like 20+] or (3) you cycle DTR.  This latter
bit being the "best" behavior.

Verbose mode is an "always off unless the operator really askes for
it" type of function.  this is true for UNIX systems, PCs,
Data-Switches (all types), Printers, Data collection devices, and etc.

"Do it right, or live with the wrongness"

Rob.