Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!seismo!esosun!ucsdhub!jack!nusdhub!rwhite From: rwhite@nusdhub.UUCP (Robert C. White Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: V.32 will dominate the marketplace (Was: Re: Which is best?) Message-ID: <1250@nusdhub.UUCP> Date: 12 Nov 88 08:00:15 GMT References: <7337@daver.UUCP> Organization: National University, San Diego Lines: 86 in article <7337@daver.UUCP>, dlr@daver.UUCP (Dave Rand) says: > > In article <1245@nusdhub.UUCP> rwhite@nusdhub.UUCP (Robert C. White Jr.) writes: >> PEP 19.2 vs V.32 9600 only >>apears to be a 2-to-1 speed difference, agregate throughput discounts >>the PEP substancially (for many applications I can think of) towards >>V.32. > > This is the difference between a $500/mo and a $1,000/mo. Or $50 and $100. > Or whatever you want to make it. Common guy, READ THE GOD DAMN POSTINGS INSTEAD OF JUST PUKING OUT SELF- JUSTIFICATION!!! The thought began with was that "for non spoofed protocols..." and ended the same way! For non-spoofed protocols the numbers are more like $1000 for a PEP vs. $650 for a V.32. If your protocol is not spoofed you dont even get 9600 out of a PEP. Sometimes it is suprisingly less than 9600! I have never made claim that the Telebit modems were a bad choice, nor that thery were in effective. I have not attacked you choice of a Telebit, as a mater of fact I tried to obtain one about three months ago. We did not chose to purchase at that time because we knew that V.32 was comming out. For our useage, and need for flexibility (we use modem pools on ISN(s) to front for an extreemly hetrogoneus async and sync network, which has need for overseas traffic) we would be total fools if we were to aquire a PEP modem. My only real value judgment on the subject was that buying one now (IF YOU INTEND TO USE IT FOR ANY PROTOCOL IT DOES NOT SPOOF, OR WHICH MAY BE EXPANDED IN THE NEAR FUTURE (like uucp)) would be a mistake. > I _know_ my telebits have paid for themselves. Even if I scrap them, like > the (multiple) 300 bps modems I had. And the (multiple) 1200 bps modems. > And the (multiple) 2400 bps modems. The question is not now, nor was it ever "did your Telebit(s) pay for themselves?" OF COURSE TEY DID! The question is: WHY SHOULD I (editorial) BUY ONE TODAY? You have said that for two (really one *is* a special case of the other, but we will give you credit for two (2) here) applications it has been cost effective; and barring some change in technology those applications wuold still be superiorly served by a Telebit. I have given six or seven *groups* of application types which would be best served by true 9600 (V.32) comunications paths, for which a PEP modem would be nothing short of a disaster. You have not seen fit to refute my aledged facts with aledged facts of you own, nor have you chosen to add any concrete numbers (though we are assuming your esitmates are accurate), nor have you offered up any other applications for which a telebit would be superior, nor have you speculated on any future applications, nor have you provided any rumors about future products and directions as you see them, nor have you offered any suggestions on how any of these ideas/products could be improved, YOU (aparently) ARN'T EVEN READING WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON HERE! In fact, you havn't made much of a contribution to anything on this subject at all! If you do not intend to provide anything of substance to this conversation (except local color in the form of mindless, rabbid self-justification for a perfectly reasonable decision which nobody is disputing) perhaps you should start saving the rest of the world that $1000 a month (each) expenditure by posting your articles directly to your own /dev/null. I look forward to your !*VALUABLE*! future comments, or some mindless ego-centric counter-flame, with equal intrest; one for content, and one for entertainment value. If it is going to be a counter-flame though, perhaps you should mail it to me as I am shure it will have limited apeal. > Technology continues, and we will _all_ scrap these modems, sooner or later. (wow, a truisim! how impressive! Perhaps your next post will have something equally valuable!) > Dave Rand > {pyramid|hoptoad|sun|vsi1}!daver!dlr Rob.